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  • TorinnTorinn
    Perhaps it is a self esteem problem, but it's also pretty obvious the outcome of a battle like that. Not sure why I would ever want to try and solo you when you are much higher level, much more experienced, and have far more artefacts. The only way I could possibly win is through dumb blind luck and that is not something you can depend upon.  Other than dumb blind luck there is getting a bunch of other midbies together to have a chance at defeating you, which you seem to dislike. Those are the options, really. 
    Deucalion says, "Torinn is quite nice."
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    edited October 2016
    Torinn said:
    Perhaps it is a self esteem problem, but it's also pretty obvious the outcome of a battle like that. Not sure why I would ever want to try and solo you when you are much higher level, much more experienced, and have far more artefacts. The only way I could possibly win is through dumb blind luck and that is not something you can depend upon.  Other than dumb blind luck there is getting a bunch of other midbies together to have a chance at defeating you, which you seem to dislike. Those are the options, really. 
    In general (aka not just for this event), it's best to just accept that if you're going to work as a group of people to kill someone(s), and you press that alias button, you could very much get it to come back and bite you in the ass later. Now, whether you choose to fight or not is entirely up to you - I don't usually 1v1 either, nor is it my forte. But that doesn't mean that I expect myself to be free of consequences, either. If I'm working with a group of citymates to jump Jhui and kill him when he's subverting a splinter, I also allow the chance he might come chase my ass down later. Even when I was Eleusian, Hasar and Xer had habits of chasing me down when I was aiding in various conflicts - and that's two on little ol' me!

    If you don't want to be attacked for attacking others, don't work with the group to attack them... or attack them and just go with it. It's one of those things about living in a world where actions have consequences.
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  • PatroklosPatroklos
    Torinn said:
    Perhaps it is a self esteem problem, but it's also pretty obvious the outcome of a battle like that. Not sure why I would ever want to try and solo you when you are much higher level, much more experienced, and have far more artefacts. The only way I could possibly win is through dumb blind luck and that is not something you can depend upon.  Other than dumb blind luck there is getting a bunch of other midbies together to have a chance at defeating you, which you seem to dislike. Those are the options, really. 
    Honestly man, there's a few things you can learn from that. HOWEVER, that would assume they don't try and gank you, and offer a duel instead. Guys like Tirac aren't the best because they're offensively powerful (which he can be), but because they've learn to use their defense as a means to hinder their opponent enough to still get their prepping done. Now, when you get your teeth kicked in, take the log, post it here on the forums or have someone look over it, and get feedback. That's the only way you'll get any better.

    Now, if you're ganked it's a different story. Ganks are generally happening when your pants are around your ankles and you're not expecting it (if they have a veil, you should ALWAYS expect it). Best you can do is either stand your ground (hard when hunting), or pop smoke and try whatever you were doing again later when their attention span expires. Bringing friends to drop them is just going to cause more problems after the fact in most cases.
  • NazihkNazihk
    Torinn said:
    This is the sort of thinking I don't understand. Here we have a combatant that is top tier, that nobody except another top tier player can kill and even then they often need help. So in order to have a chance a bunch of people of lesser power get together because there is no way any of them would kill you solo but at least together they have a chance. So if you do actually get killed now you want to hunt them all down individually instead of simply recognizing they did what was necessary to get you and outplayed you? Cuz you know ganking a bunch of midbies by themselves is a challenge for a top tier combatant.

    The power difference between you and 90% of everybody else is huge.
    This is the sort of thinking that I don't understand. 

    What you seem to be saying is that if a bunch of midbies group up to gank a high-roller, the high-roller is just supposed to let it slide because revenge would be unsporting? Are you only allowed to take revenge on people of similar mights or something? That's sort of ridiculous. If a midbie doesn't want to get ganked by somebody that's out of their league, they shouldn't start fights with people who are out of their league. End of story. 

    It's just more of that mindset that seems to feel like players who've purchased artifacts should be punished in some weird way. "You bought artifacts, so I should be allowed to team up with other people to kill you. But you shouldn't be able to gank me back, because that wouldn't be fair to me because you bought artifacts."
  • AnkhareoutefAnkhareoutef
    I thought we had something special, @Proficy.

    fk u 2 bud
  • AylekAylek
    Proficy said:
    Sounds like a self esteem problem... big props to people who fight themselves.. lots of people kill me one on one... law of averages... everyone loses some times.. but when yoi dlnt even try and jus try to run/call for help. Dont see much of a chance there... 

    Big props to those who do have fun after the group beat downs.... @krizal @karren @aylek @xaden(sometimes) @Atalkez.... just to name a few that come to mind.

    So again.... dony talk unless you know what your talkin about @Torinn
    Omg don't lie you hate me.
  • EpifaniaEpifania
    @Proficy you always come chase me down later and I always think it's hilarious. 
  • KiskanKiskan
    edited October 2016
    Torinn - just call for friends (if possible) when they jump you.  Nothing wrong with that (especially if you're a slam dunk win for them alone).  Sure, some people won't like it (because you're not just sitting there and dying properly), but you are well within your rights to.
  • PatroklosPatroklos
    Kiskan said:
    Torinn - just call for friends (if possible) when they jump you.  Nothing wrong with that (especially if you're a slam dunk win for them alone).  Sure, some people won't like it (because you're not just sitting there and dying properly), but you are well within your rights to.
    That just creates a snowball effect. Because then those people are added to the hit list, and as different people help, other folks get added as well. All it does it suddenly create a whole pile on of midbies who're now all open for defending each other. Especially since odds are he's going to pick y'all part in small groups if he has to.
  • KiskanKiskan
    Eh, it should really only go so far, because admin isn't going to let people come after people long, long after the fact, for one.  If there's really any snowball effect serious enough to truly punish people for "I couldn't take this guy when he jumped me, so I got help", that's bad.  I hope there isn't - because while it's not specifically suggested in the rules here, it's a thing that's often suggested as IC resolution if you have an actual problem with someone in all IRE games (say some titan keeps jumping your midbie self).

    It kind of depends on what friends he can get (to a point), and what they're willing to try, for sure.  It is a judgment call for how successful you think you can be.  But they're totally within their rights to do it.  It sounded like Torrinn was involved in group fights that were roughly even, although that is always somewhat subjective (and his side lost, actually), but people came after him anyway - to me that is a prime time to call friends if I've got them, but you're really always within your rights, especially if you're not a 1 v. 1 hero and some titan is after you.  
  • PatroklosPatroklos
    PVP lesson one in Achaea: With certain people, it's better to take the loss and move on. Otherwise you're just borrowing a whole lotta trouble that you otherwise wouldn't need to deal with.

    PVP lesson number two: There will always be assholes who justify their assholeness. It doesn't matter if the situation is petty or not, it will be justified.

    PVP lesson number three: If you bring friends, expect them to bring friends right back. Expect those aforementioned friends to have toys and synergize.
  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    I'm with Patty. Suck it up, eat the death, move on.  People spend entirely too much effort trying to avoid this type of thing. It's a single death.  While he comes across as an ass sometimes, I've always found Proficy pretty reasonable if you just stand your ground and fight him.  Relax burst, just in case you really pissed him off, and do your best.  Learn something from the fight. After you pray, you're golden
  • KiskanKiskan
    Sounds fun, heh... I wonder why so many people just get frustrated and... welp.
  • DatriusDatrius
    Lesson 4 : When you are getting frustrated, walk away and take a break. This does wonders for your rationality
  • PatroklosPatroklos
    Austere said:
    I'm with Patty. Suck it up, eat the death, move on.  People spend entirely too much effort trying to avoid this type of thing. It's a single death.  While he comes across as an ass sometimes, I've always found Proficy pretty reasonable if you just stand your ground and fight him.  Relax burst, just in case you really pissed him off, and do your best.  Learn something from the fight. After you pray, you're golden
    Except if you're close to or at dragon. Then GTFO, 'cause fuck soul spears. :dissapointed:
  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    Datrius said:
    Lesson 4 : When you are getting frustrated, walk away and take a break. This does wonders for your rationality
    Lesson 5: if one death frustrates you, don't pk. Plenty of other aspects of the game to enjoy.

    (We should have a pk lesson thread where we can posted reasonable advice for the first four or five pages, at which point it turns into insults and counter productive mockery: Lesson 5785: don't be a tool, @Datrius)
  • FarrahFarrah
    Ankhareoutef said:
    I thought we had something special, @Proficy.

    fk u 2 bud
    I didn't make the list either. :(

    It's because he hates priests probably.
  • PatroklosPatroklos
    Farrah said:
    Ankhareoutef said:
    I thought we had something special, @Proficy.

    fk u 2 bud
    I didn't make the list either. :(

    It's because he hates priests probably.
    Any who has to fight them hates priests. Though, with the coalition in full swing, I'm pretty much in love with them.
  • TorinnTorinn
    edited October 2016
    You all have good points, thank you for responding. The only gripe I ever had was being hunted for being in an evenly matched fight (one where we even lost) but this just confirms I need to get more powerful  ;)
    Deucalion says, "Torinn is quite nice."
  • KiskanKiskan
    edited October 2016
    I mean, he's basically being told "yeah, you can't win here, don't bother - and don't bother trying to get help either because that "game" is stacked against you too".  For one, you'd think titans from his side (unless the poor guy is Cyrenian?) would be dying to help a midbie, but it sounds like maybe those guys are all a bit too friendly with one another to say "heck yeah, little guy, we got this (watch out combatant friend from OOC clans)"!  It is what it is (and it's good for people to know that).
  • ProficyProficy
    Ankhareoutef said:
    I thought we had something special, @Proficy.

    fk u 2 bud
    Lol your on the list of great sports too.. haha
    I can't remember everyone  :'(
  • PatroklosPatroklos
    It's a learning experience. There's always been high tier fighters that shit all over the mid level ones. We all start somewhere, and work our way up. It's always a good time to try out new tactics, and one of these days you might find a weakpoint in their offence or a strength in your skills that lets you get the upper hand.
  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    Prythe said:
    <story time>
    Damn ninjas cutting onions in my house again :'(
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Proficy's sense of honor is pretty brilliant.

    Sadly, even though he is Tyrannus, that doesn't extend to his citymates.
    Huh. Neat.
  • FarrahFarrah
    Kiskan said:
    I mean, he's basically being told "yeah, you can't win here, don't bother - and don't bother trying to get help either because that "game" is stacked against you too".  For one, you'd think titans from his side (unless the poor guy is Cyrenian?) would be dying to help a midbie, but it sounds like maybe those guys are all a bit too friendly with one another to say "heck yeah, little guy, we got this (watch out combatant friend from OOC clans)"!  It is what it is (and it's good for people to know that).

    A few people on forums are saying don't call for help. His faction isn't refusing to help him.

    That being said, when you get jumped while bashing a Tide monster and die two seconds after asking for help, not much anyone can do. Well, other than go bother Proficy after the kill, but that's just standard business.
  • KiskanKiskan
    Great to hear that people are willing to do it (but yeah, getting there in time can be tricky, especially if the person is squish).
  • DatriusDatrius
    Austere said:
    Datrius said:
    Lesson 4 : When you are getting frustrated, walk away and take a break. This does wonders for your rationality
    Lesson 5: if one death frustrates you, don't pk. Plenty of other aspects of the game to enjoy.

    (We should have a pk lesson thread where we can posted reasonable advice for the first four or five pages, at which point it turns into insults and counter productive mockery: Lesson 5785: don't be a tool, @Datrius)
    I'm honestly not sure if this is about me getting frustrated and walking away yesterday, lol, cause that had to do with things besides just one death.
  • KaylaleeKaylalee
    So far during this, I've been hunted down at least twice... and ganked mid hunting... for being NEAR a shardfall and perceived that I was aiding or doing something in some manner.

    I fight back when I can, but I'm still not too far above my 70's, or tri-trans, so I do what I can. Dragon 'kisses' are not fun, btw. I can't call for help much, mostly because by the time I think of it I'm dead... but what I can do is learn... 

    To me, it seems little use hiring because either the contract will expire or the person is not likely to be found... and I feel cheap every time someone goes 'just hire'. Like... I want to learn and get out there and fight them myself.

    Though, from what Torinn describes it does sound a bit... griefy? From my understanding it was a conflict, where multiple people tried to stop someone from actively doing something during the event... and failed, resulting in their collective deaths... then afterward were hunted down between event things because they tried to stop during the event thing?

    I am more than capable of being wrong in my understanding of this, though.
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