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It would be against my role as a character to allow someone who is a known and repeat combatant against the MSC to wander a splinterfall area freely just because "lol not subverting", so I'm going to roleplay my character consistently and keep them out of the area through the means I have available to me. Sometimes this means they die. But that's okay, because I have a justifiable roleplay reason to attack and kill them in that they are helping my enemies more effectively fight me. It's like enemying someone to your city because they're scouting out a good location for a raid party to raid from (except not even as bad, because being enemied to a city is a much worse affair than dying once and losing a little XP.)
If "the admin" is trying to tell us that everyone participating in the event shouldn't be roleplaying or using roleplay as a means to resolve conflict, then "the admin" is wrong, because this is a game where roleplaying and being in-character are required (regardless of whether or not some players actually do it.)
Your reasoning is flimsy, but if you want to carry on with it, go right ahead.
This is, honestly, the exception to the rule. But, it has happened twice to me now and it's very annoying. People just need to chill, really. If I had called his mother a greasy wench, he would certainly be justified, but group combat happens and we were defeated. There are PK rules for a reason, right?
Pictured: Kosuira. ( @Daeir )
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
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- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
Just as I would enemy a player to my city for spying for a raid party, and attack and kill them if they were still in the city, so would I force a player out of my area who is spying for a splinter party, and attack and kill them if they remained in the area.
Denying someone the ability to attack a person for actively opposing and hindering their actions goes against roleplay and common sense as well as the established rules of the game. "The admin" is doing it wrong, no matter how much you want to suck up to them for internet points.
Yelling is so overrated. Give me an imperious point any day.
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Did anyone else wonder how Voldemort was supposedly the greatest Dark Lord of the era but hadn't mastered silent casting, a skill that was cannonically taught to people who were not yet sixteen years old?
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Killing people because you "suspect them of spying" or "trying to hinder you or your organization's goals" is not sufficient reason. You can't attack people on speculation and call it "roleplay". That exactly the type of thing the bolded part points out.
However, I can see trying to point out the obvious that your petty attempt to ruleplay is going to bite you in the ass was a waste of time. It's obvious trying to explain that to you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No matter how much you try, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces and shit on the board.
So knock yourself out. It'll be amusing to read your forum explosion when it doesn't go your way.
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Food for thought.
So we can either let it escalate, or we can all remember Achaea is a game you play WITH each other, not AGAINST. It's not like CoD or LoL where you can be a huge jerk to your opponents cause you likely won't meet them again soon/often. Sometimes you do have to hold back on your opponents for OOC reasons when they try to participate in a world event, because these would be pretty boring when the only opponents are npc's, no?
I'm well aware this goes for Mhaldor just as much as any other city, and I have a feeling that if the roles were reversed, and Mhaldor had the numbers to dominate the Coalition on a regular basis, these same posts would still be here, just the names of the posters would be reversed. When you switch sides, you see a different side of your former allies, and of your former enemies, and they're not all that different in both the good and the bad ways. So again, food for thought.
tl;dr: we're all jerks to each other, pretending we're not. Can we try not to be?
Do not go killing people who aren't subverting, gathering, or attacking avatars.
Okay? Okay. Now that we've got that settled (and yes @Xaden pay attention here), let's set some things straight.
What Proficy does (counting cause and attacking people after he attempts to merk an avatar), isn't cool. Tell him to take a chill pill on that, and it won't lead to this stupid cycle of "HE ATTACKED ME WHENEVER I ATTACKED SOMEONE HE WAS DEFENDING SO NOW I CAN ATTACK HIM..." That cycle is neverending and only serves to piss everyone the fuck off.
Secondly, the Coordination almost always has more people than Mhaldor or Ashtan. Now, hear me out here. Some of us die on the way to getting it consolidated (generally due to the place we're going only having one entrance. RIP). We shouldn't attack people who walk into the area. I have mindnet up, not to tell you "ATTACK THIS PERSON!!!"
I have mindnet up to give people a warning. A "Hey, keep an eye out and be ready to move." Not, "STAB THEM RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!" If people are abusing that system (which I'm using defensively, to protect the Avatars), then I'll stop using it and go back to combating the tide solely. The rules, for when you can attack someone during this, are simple.
Are they Subverting?
Are they Gathering?
Are they defending the Avatar (and probably already attacked you)?
If the answer is YES to any of those questions. CONGRATULATIONS, YOU CAN ATTACK THEM!!!
If you attack people because...
Are they known for subverting/gathering?
Are they known to attack Avatars?
Are they known to do X ?
If you answered YES to one of these.. but NOT one of the first three... don't fucking attack them.
It's really that god damn simple, and I'm honestly annoyed that you lot are taking 21+ days to get it through. We know we can't control everyone in the Coordination. Hell, I tried to get someone to stop and they ended up ignoring me for it. We can't control all of them, and if the ones who aren't playing to the rules are being dicks? Take logs, issue it. Don't do it right away, because sometimes, it's really a one-time thing. Don't create multiple issues of it, either. Talk with people, ooc (and in less hostile manners than on the forums. Or even better, stop being so passive aggressive to one another.). Just... we're all here to play a damn game. It's all I really can do anymore, and this event, as annoying and frustrating as it is, is meant for us to have fun. It's meant to create conflict, create awe. Inspire a helluva awesome story. Which it has. Mhaldorians have been teaming up with Ashtani to try and take on the Coordination (with mild success). Ashtani have been betraying the Coordination and leaving to go be full on Nihilists (bad move bros). Mhaldorians have had to choose whether to support their Divine (Trey), or to support Sartan.
It's a ridiculously interesting narrative and story that's unfolding, and now that we've begun to actually fight back the fog better and get a shitton more organized? It doesn't feel so damn hopeless. It's beginning to look a bit better, and it's actually making everyone feel better because "oh we're all not fucking dead because of fog". It looks like we're actually making a concentrated effort to push it all back... (Admins, please do not force another surge where I go to sleep and wake up and everything is covered in fog, I will be so pissed).
The point of this is though...
tl;dr
Stop being fucking dicks to one another and read the top part that's super big.
Issues are for cases of harassment that cannot be resolved in-character, not cases of "I was participating in a PK event and got PKed."
If you don't want to get PKed, don't walk into the PK area and start participating in the PK event. Go bash the Tide or give runes or tattoos out or something. Those are things that you can easily do without putting yourself at risk for being PKed.
If the people running the event, a la Makarios or Nicola, say who is open to be killed, and who isn't.
Do not say that they're 'FAULTY' or "DUMB" with any ruling that they make. They made these rulings. They are more experienced, and have way more authority than your 18-19 year old ass.
Have I made myself clear? Good. Adeleine, you have zero right to speak in this instance, and you'd do well to shut your mouth whenever listening to people from high up on what they explicitly say. If they say the oceans are now zero pvp, and you aren't allowed to attack other ships on the ocean unless they're fighting seamonsters???
You don't get to attack someone and go "OH MY GOSH THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUT ATTACKING SEAMONSTERS!!!!!!"
You do not get to make the rules. You do not get to interpret the rules however you see fit. You are the RULES' bitch. Stop trying to act as if you are smarter than Makarios or Nicolas, or that you can suddenly invalidate what they've said. YOU, @Adeleine are part of the problem, and no better than Proficy.
Note that if you're known to sneak around an area and then attack my friendly avatars, I may stop you before you get that far.
It doesn't mean I hate you.