It's day 5 of an at least 30 day event. If general story telling goes you have at least 10 days until Gattan'bahar can be slain only to be replaced by abigger badder boss.
I'd so prefer if this was an actual army invasion where the cities could fight against and feel like they are in a real war and, if possible, at times are making headway to thwart them. It currently just feels like 1 person is laughing as she walks all over us, while a few other renegade forces enjoy slaughtering for the fun of it. Very demoralizing
Im mostly upset with the futility in attempting to even stand up against the Tsol'teth at this point.
I understand the whole concept of powerful overlords, and yes she can kill in a single hit...but it has gotten to the point that we cannot even touch her and she walks by us without a care, teleports at will, heals like a pk-veteran, and dodges kill attempts with ease. Even the Tsol'teth in the mythos were not this untouchable.
When we -finally- did get enough people together to agree to try and smack her down quickly...the admin in control decides to have a laugh and activate Deucalion's miracle . Really dude? As if morale wasnt low enough...
I was very strongly hoping that at least for this world-ending event, it would cultivate into the possibility that the players themselves would find the solution to victory, and truly hoping it wouldnt progress to the idea of us being saved by 'an outside source/ally coming to provide the answer/ accident happened'. This was sadly not the case.
Morale is low? Welcome to the world. Shit's not simple. Buck up, soldier and battle on!
But seriously, I agree with you on the whole player solution. Part of why I left for 5? 6? years was shit got so stale... The event is fun, but 4 days in and nothing works... I mean, *assuming* it is an event for a new class as has been speculated, killing Gattan'bahar would make it cooler. The players win and save their Gods for once, and the World.... but they release the shadow spirits that permeate Sapience like dust, so in reality they also kinda lose.. And then someone discovers how to harness it and yadda yadda
Thats fine, tho. Its a game, making mistakes only makes it all the more interesting. Would be boring if we only made the correct choices.
the irony of this is all the math thesis OPTIMAL RP posts that basically decry anyone who does not join the Master Shrine Coordination coaltion.
If that's aimed at me, I haven't decried anybody, nor said anything about it being optimal RP.
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
There are a fair amount of people who respond to things like "This is risky, we don't even know how much essence there is, we should be prioritizing our Gods first instead of helping build up Aurora and Sartan" with what is basically "We RP here and the alliance is RP, if you want to ignore RP and PK you should go join Ashtan".
Not saying that you're one of them, but it is an opinion that I have seen presented several times.
Calyn's taken the position that one rebuilt shrine beats a dozen unfinished ones, and the only way that there's going to be a finished shrine through the Coalition is if the Coalition actually picks a neutral Divine that everyone can agree on.
This isn't going to happen because the 'unity' emphasized is a unity of intent, not purpose.
And it would have been weird to slay the major badgirl at day 4 of the monthly event.
She might not even have been the major one. Kill her, and then we might move on to her boss. Who knows, there were multiple Tsol'teth at Seleucar.
Although I'd like to know if Tenith'oru has a role to play in this event.
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
I like the idea that keeps getting bounced around that our strategy will result in shrines being less full than otherwise.
If essences go exponential to any degree (As Mak confirmed they do), we're generating more essence than would have happened otherwise. There's no way free-for-all would generate more essence than planned.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
isn't spawn camping and repeated killing of someone involved in an event generally looked down upon here? that's what I gathered from the forums from the last CTF but it feels like the very same people who were claiming it was lame before are now doing it themselves, except they have the massive numbers which leaves very little justification in my opinion.
I like the idea that keeps getting bounced around that our strategy will result in shrines being less full than otherwise.
If essences go exponential to any degree (As Mak confirmed they do), we're generating more essence than would have happened otherwise. There's no way free-for-all would generate more essence than planned.
Which is a perfectly wonderful OOC rationale but doesn't hold water in an IC context.
In an IC context, there's no visible change and to an outsider, it looks like the Coalition is literally worse than a free-for-all in terms of support. The fact that there's obvious skimming and favoritism that everyone is content to just overlook compounds the problem.
So, faced with the in-game choice of a Coalition with no visible progress and ulterior motives or a group that's actually working to rebuild a shrine and making progress? Easy choice, even if it's distasteful to Calyn as a whole. It's no more distasteful than Targossas and Mhaldor working hand-in-hand because lol ideological purity.
isn't spawn camping and repeated killing of someone involved in an event generally looked down upon here? that's what I gathered from the forums from the last CTF but it feels like the very same people who were claiming it was lame before are now doing it themselves, except they have the massive numbers which leaves very little justification in my opinion.
And it would have been weird to slay the major badgirl at day 4 of the monthly event.
She might not even have been the major one. Kill her, and then we might move on to her boss. Who knows, there were multiple Tsol'teth at Seleucar.
Although I'd like to know if Tenith'oru has a role to play in this event.
I've attempted to both get answers/speak with him several times as well as bring up his name to Gattan'bahar, and so far I have yet to get a response about it. Either I am contacting at bad times or they just dont want to converse with me upstairs. You're welcome to try.
Also yes, she is apparently only 1 of 6, and I doubt they'd send their strongest up first. If anything it seems she is more of a scout prepping the area for the others.
Just tumble if someone's blocking you. If you can't tumble or fly, eat a lucrescent nut. Grace exists specifically to keep people from getting spawncamped.
isn't spawn camping and repeated killing of someone involved in an event generally looked down upon here? that's what I gathered from the forums from the last CTF but it feels like the very same people who were claiming it was lame before are now doing it themselves, except they have the massive numbers which leaves very little justification in my opinion.
You weren't really being spawned camp, since that is 3 rooms away from Ashtan gates. If I recall, you had also died in the fight previously on Clouds. I was late to the party, so I could be mistaken, please correct me if so.
Grace is there for this reason, as was stated. Could also have got an empress, or fly>go inside etc.
You can't really be surprised when you get killed in the event when you're siding with the main antagonist that has a very large alliance gunning for you, in my opinion. Sucks to die a lot, but a lot of people are dying to your group just the same (if not more, I hear Ashtan has been shredding).
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
It's day 5 of an at least 30 day event. If general story telling goes you have at least 10 days until Gattan'bahar can be slain only to be replaced by abigger badder boss.
My guess was three weeks for this phase, a week of the second phase, and a weekend of furious war and death in the big showdown. If it's intended to go for multiple months, then yeah, this could go on for quite a while yet, though I seriously hope it doesn't.
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
If essences go exponential to any degree (As Mak confirmed they do), we're generating more essence than would have happened otherwise. There's no way free-for-all would generate more essence than planned.
My issue is that this hypothesis lacks any evidence whatsoever IC and cannot be proven, the only reason people are taking it as fact is because Makarios (in a moment of poor judgement) mentioned it on the forums. As a result, this whole IC alliance is predicated on completely OOC knowledge that we have no way of knowing IC, which has all but removed any legitimate roleplay opposition to the coalition. Any attempt to do so is met with hand-wave dismissal because everyone knows, OOC, that relinquishing multiple shards is, indeed, exponential and optimal.
I enjoyed the event before Mak made that one post. Since then, it's been rather unappealing. I can't play with the Nihilists and stay true to the character, but playing on the coalition side is the height of boredom.
-- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
My issue is that this hypothesis lacks any evidence whatsoever IC and cannot be proven...
Babel shrine hit half-strength (or 25%, whatever, there was apparently a world message when it happened) just recently, so combining splinters (or killing people who have combined splinters, rather) looks to be paying off. At a guess, they're probably a few days ahead of the rest of the shrines.
Gotta remember slith/Thoth technically took >6 months. These new admin enjoy playing the long game.
Admittedly true. Slith/Thoth, however, was also very minor spurts interspersed with long periods of people doing whatever they usually did, since there was no real means of influencing matters and you could just ignore what was happening in between the deaths. Splinter gathering is different because it's an hourly thing that keeps everything in your face. I'd probably associate splinters with the embers during Bal'met moreso than the Slith murders, though there are still some differences (open-PK, embers to my knowledge weren't immediately a "gotta gather them together" thing, and so on).
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
After this splinter thing, You'll going to be very dissappointed for a few months until the next stage kicks into action.
Perhaps!
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
I enjoyed the event before Mak made that one post. Since then, it's been rather unappealing. I can't play with the Nihilists and stay true to the character, but playing on the coalition side is the height of boredom.
And it's not realistically possible to side against the coalition at this point unless you're willing to go full Babelian; at the start of it Hashanites could work against the alliance as long as they didn't attack other Hashanites. I was okay with that. Sure, the rest of the city going along with it was boring, but we(Vender/Lylith/Etheros/me/etc) could still do our own thing and participate in our own way.
That lasted until about the first time that Vender and I went out and killed Coalition people and they started crying about it. Now you either play by the coalition rules, join Babel, or you sit the entire thing out and bash instead of participating.
Could poof over time, like relics. I'm not sure how much gnashing there would be in comparison to the gnashing there's been about people holding onto them.
Couldn't you like, gather several dozen splinters with the help of people, designate a given carrier for them, and have that carrier do nothing but log out and periodically log in to receive more splinters?
It seems weird to have the splinters remain for offline people. For Gattan'bahar I understand, but for others? Locki's had some for at least two days now.
Think this might cross some unhappy lines. As for Locki, no idea why he has his, honestly. His own reasons I assume.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
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...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
If the tsol follow the forgotten realms model for the strength of a 'House' then I'm afraid what the 1st of First may be.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
But seriously, I agree with you on the whole player solution. Part of why I left for 5? 6? years was shit got so stale... The event is fun, but 4 days in and nothing works... I mean, *assuming* it is an event for a new class as has been speculated, killing Gattan'bahar would make it cooler. The players win and save their Gods for once, and the World.... but they release the shadow spirits that permeate Sapience like dust, so in reality they also kinda lose.. And then someone discovers how to harness it and yadda yadda
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
Not saying that you're one of them, but it is an opinion that I have seen presented several times.
This isn't going to happen because the 'unity' emphasized is a unity of intent, not purpose.
Although I'd like to know if Tenith'oru has a role to play in this event.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
If essences go exponential to any degree (As Mak confirmed they do), we're generating more essence than would have happened otherwise. There's no way free-for-all would generate more essence than planned.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
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In an IC context, there's no visible change and to an outsider, it looks like the Coalition is literally worse than a free-for-all in terms of support. The fact that there's obvious skimming and favoritism that everyone is content to just overlook compounds the problem.
So, faced with the in-game choice of a Coalition with no visible progress and ulterior motives or a group that's actually working to rebuild a shrine and making progress? Easy choice, even if it's distasteful to Calyn as a whole. It's no more distasteful than Targossas and Mhaldor working hand-in-hand because lol ideological purity.
~the only moral spawncamping and griefing is my spawncamping and griefing~
I've attempted to both get answers/speak with him several times as well as bring up his name to Gattan'bahar, and so far I have yet to get a response about it. Either I am contacting at bad times or they just dont want to converse with me upstairs. You're welcome to try.
Also yes, she is apparently only 1 of 6, and I doubt they'd send their strongest up first. If anything it seems she is more of a scout prepping the area for the others.
Grace is there for this reason, as was stated. Could also have got an empress, or fly>go inside etc.
You can't really be surprised when you get killed in the event when you're siding with the main antagonist that has a very large alliance gunning for you, in my opinion. Sucks to die a lot, but a lot of people are dying to your group just the same (if not more, I hear Ashtan has been shredding).
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
I enjoyed the event before Mak made that one post. Since then, it's been rather unappealing. I can't play with the Nihilists and stay true to the character, but playing on the coalition side is the height of boredom.
Admittedly true. Slith/Thoth, however, was also very minor spurts interspersed with long periods of people doing whatever they usually did, since there was no real means of influencing matters and you could just ignore what was happening in between the deaths. Splinter gathering is different because it's an hourly thing that keeps everything in your face. I'd probably associate splinters with the embers during Bal'met moreso than the Slith murders, though there are still some differences (open-PK, embers to my knowledge weren't immediately a "gotta gather them together" thing, and so on).
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
That lasted until about the first time that Vender and I went out and killed Coalition people and they started crying about it. Now you either play by the coalition rules, join Babel, or you sit the entire thing out and bash instead of participating.
On the plus side, I guess I'll get dragon sooner?
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby