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The cap makes it easier for the overwhelming majority of players in the game to buy credits with gold, not harder.
There is four main reasons people hunt. XP, gold, get dragon and talisman pieces. Once you hit dragon there is only two. If you want to be an elder dragon you churn away for that then you are only left with one : gold, a goal that gets handicapped after a certain limit.
Whatever happened to talismans? From all reports everyone was excited when they came out as they were toted as being another type of reward system for bashers instead of gold. The atzlan and dragon pieces were put into play, conclave pop up in a event for a limited time, and now they are only added to the game via OOC purchases.
I think the original idea of talismans as another form of bashing reward needs to come back. In an attempt to nix our relic problem in the same broad sweeping stroke here as the relics only reward 1-4 bashers out of hundreds and are largely inaccessible to the majority of the playerbase. This is what I propose:
- Event where the relics are destroyed. Some disintegrate completely while others leave behind the dust of themselves.
(Prune back the potential relic pool)
- Dust settles on select denizens. Now when these denizens are killed they dropdust / talisman pieces of the relic set.
(Basic kill a mob, may drop a talisman set up)
- People can then build fragments of the relics with talismans and use them for 24 hours before they are destroyed.
(Once built, they start to decay, thus if people want it they need to keep rebuilding them instead of the one and done system)
- No, people are not PK when holding a fragment.
(Because that would stop some from engaging in this reward line)
- Relics are out, relic talisman set is in.
That doesn't mean I think the cap needs to go away - I think overall, it's good thing. But I definitely think more bashing rewards, like the talisman pieces or others, would definitely help mitigate the "well wtf am I going to do now" feeling a lot of our consistent, high-time bashers have.
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For the extremely artied and efficient hunters, it's 2.5 hours (could do 2 hours if UW was still available). Most people aren't going to be bashing that much anyway.
I'd like it if other things were boosted once you hit the gold cap, such as like 3x experience gain or triple talisman drop chance or something. That way we still feel as if logging in and bashing is worth it, but not ruining the credit market.
Credits function as a secure investment: unlike gold they can't be stolen, admin will guaranteed always back you up if someone tries to rip you off when credits are involved, you can access them anywhere, transfer them to anyone anywhere, easily liquidate them anywhere. The main downsides are limited supply and price fluctuations, but the price is never going down over the long term so there's little risk.
If you want to see credit prices drop I think two things need to happen:
1. More credits on the market.
1a. Mitigate the effects of long-term regular monthly non-credit promos.
2. Create something big and desirable that's sold for gold, not credits, to give people a reason to dump credits for gold. (Ships did this, lots of people dumping enough credits for 5m gold. Housing - maybe not popular enough.)
Sounds like they should add lairs???? and instead of gold you bash for resources to build up your lair??????
Will I get an awesome horde as well? (jk me ever hitting is a joke, I'm too busy with doing house work to keep interviews going on and recording stuff)
It would add additional reasoning for people to bash after reaching Dragon with some greater variance in talisman sets than just Elder or Azatlan. Or just create some new talisman sets along those lines, if Mark/Death/whatever are still desired to stay linked to website purchases. Even just adding Wonders to the Elder and Azatlan might help vary things up.
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Example : deathcape that takes 4 seperate level 5 pieces - lasts for 5rl days before decaying.
Every once in a while, some guy will get crazy and think they'll make a profit by driving cfs up thinking they'll make a killing. I don't think it's a great idea to do that as while it's relatively easy to drive cfs up - its not nearly as easy to drive cfs back down. So while you can accumulate alot of gold, getting credits at a 'reasonable' price through this method is generally a hassle. You can still make some gold by selling high and buying low, but the flow is much more unpredictable - a few thousand gold here and there. And while free money isn't anything to sneeze at - its hardly moving the needle compared to the millions (of gold) you could make through arbitrage previously.
Yes, fully understand this, I also know those people have always been there, yet this problem has not..
That hit the nail on the head. Its a supply and demand problem, and what I've been suggesting from my very first post. The extra demand has been introduced by the inclusion of multiclass. The decrease in supply surely a result of the style of promotions that have been run most recently where people are purchasing globes, caches or artefact carts instead of credits.
I tend to agree that the promotion styles you've been running make sense, you cant deny the popularity of them and I have to assume that equates to better income. Hence my focus has been on attempting to alleviate the pressure added via multiclass, rather than penalizing the people who have been there all along and not having that overwhelming impact on CFS.
So don't point out that CFS was stable for years until the string of promotions that weren't credit sales that reduced the supply of credits, or the introduction of multiclass that increased demand.
It is clearly people bashing too much that is the only problem so the only possible solution is to restrict anyone from doing that.
Also (unrelated to quote), I'm pretty sure relics/minerals had a bigger impact than any lack of credit promos. Given bashing DR did bring down the average credit prices and it's been about 2 months since the change we won't know what will continue to happen. There's still a shit ton of new gold in the system from people who got full effect of braid/ahmetite for RL months, so we might never see them drop below the average they're at now unless a big sink that targets those people specifically is put in.
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If I take a hit to potential revenue, then that's on me. If someone wants to turn around and flip those credits, then my part of the transaction is over. If you don't like the economics of the situation, deal with them. If someone else uses those credits to increase the power of their character, then the credit life cycle is closed and again, why is it an issue?
Sourpuss summary: The lower bound is far too tight on credit sales using CFS.
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The intention behind it to put downwards pressure upon CFS, while restricting the volitility of that pressure.
Don't try to call me out on disagreeing with the intent, when the system is in a place where it needs to be bypassed to go to market direct.
Multiclass, I believe to be the main culprit here. Even leaving lesson packages on the web would alleviate quite a lot of pressure I have to assume.
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Total credits for sale: 635 shown (635 total) (Average sale price: 7635)
(Hopefully we can stop making sweeping generalizations over fluctuations that last less than a RL day)
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Total credits for sale: 604 shown (604 total) (Average sale price: 7681)
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Maybe a tiny experience bonus(10-15%), so those that invested in bashing arties/talismans don't feel complètement gimp eduard
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I'd prefer an increased chance for talisman drops, honestly. After dragon, who really cares about experience?
The suggestion that most interests me in this thread is the one regarding more talismans available from bashing, even if they only give a temporary effect. Just make the temporary effect worthwhile, otherwise it'll be another wasted opportunity.