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So I can't level up to dragon and bash up more than 160k gold a day? Seriously?
I mean I couldn't anyway since I work too much, but I was planning on trying to get a million every weekend. Got to try and recoup the retarded amount of gold I've spent on skilling up Armoursmithing to Legendary. I know I'll get some of it back from selling Embrasures but... eh. Doubt I'll get all of it back.
Sub-Level 109: Unlimited gold generation
Levels 110 - 115: 500,000 gold a day
Levels 116 - 120 400,000 gold a day
Levels 121 - 125 300,000 gold a day
Levels 126+ 250,000
That being said, although there is still a hard gold cap, lets assume credits fall down to 7500 or so, one can still bash 400 credits an Achaean year which I think is quite fair.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
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If they had done that instead of punishing home builders by raising the price for room title and description edits (10k to fix a typo? Really?) we might have seen a bigger and more noticeable shift in the market for people looking to raise a castle in a hurry.
After getting the credit prices back down to a reasonable number (8000), they've been staying there steady and selling. THANKFULLY it hasn't gone up, because people know that no one will really want to buy it at that price... Though, the best time to buy credits is during a gold auction... and to sell righttttttttttt after. Or you know, when some new artefact comes out that everyone is clammoring for (Hi Artefact Armour).
I don't have a problem with basic supply and value. I don't really know why you think I do either, I've never said anything about decreasing sold supply reducing it's value.
My problems are things (or attitudes) that you've said. Pretty much all of which have been resolved as of now.
Are you sure the gold cap is at 250k right now? Last I was told it was at 160-180k, though you might be distinguishing between diminishing returns and a straight cap.
This was supposed to be a: "Haha Zulah you're a crazy dumbass" sorta post. My bad. ;
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It drops down to like 10% or less after about 240-250k.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
I just struggle with the logic behind building a system that is trying to handicap the people who are capable of playing for 6 hours a day over those who can only play 2 hours a day. Which in essence is what your doing with this system. Different people play for different reasons, some only play to hunt for gold to better their character, but your demotivating them to spend extended hours in the game. Whilst I agree with the theory behind lowering gold into the system to help moderate credit prices, I think the long term impact of the change will likely be worse than the intention.
When I first started playing the whole 'free to play' was definitely a big factor in my decision, simply because I could see how it was still possible to pick up artefacts over time through effort. I'm less convinced that its possible now, so I'd honestly struggle to explain to anyone entering into the game at this point that they could earn those artefacts eventually without spending a heap of cash. I know the idea is that they do spend a heap of cash, and some will because they want the quick fix, but without the additional freeloaders and tight arses you lose the community and motivation for the big spenders to stick around.
However, the people who consistently bash for hours on end (a lot of which do so without much effort, but that's beside the point) don't just have more gold than those who can't. You're working the same limited supply of credits, which means they have to compete with people with those ridiculous reserves of gold that they're generating for the same credits. People who used that to repost credits higher simply compounded the problem. So, because of people generating obscene amounts of gold on the higher end, the people on the lower end experience a significant disadvantage, and have to pay significantly more than they would otherwise. And it's not like you don't have the advantage after the cap. Show me one level 80 that can bash up 250k in a 24 hour period, much less 6-8. At current prices, that's more than thirty credits a day. With the cap. I wish I could bash up enough gold for a veil over two months. And I don't have a clue how it has a negative impact on the people who spend money on credits at all, much less in any significant way that would outweight he benefits of the cap.
If everyone were in that top-tier, it wouldn't be a problem.
If nobody was in that top-tier, it wouldn't be a problem.
If you've got people in both situations, it's a problem.
Clueless rambling over. Enjoy the rants.
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@Ahmet, I agree, that's why my suggested solution was to deflect the need for everything (lessons in particular) to be reliant on credits only. I'm mainly trying to point that's its almost impossible to attempt to balance the system so that everyone gets fair shot at the credits available. The problem here is that people who are accumulating gold better than the others will always pay higher than the average for credits when its the only thing to spend their gold on..
If I'm sitting on 3 million gold because I've been trying to do the right thing and not buy credits, but the price isn't dropping, eventually I just buy the credits anyway because 'papa wants a new class bby', and all those other people who were holding off get screwed even further. Multiclass has compounded this problem because people like me who want that extra class (at 4 like I am now) will drain 2500 credits off the market for the sole purpose of converting them into lessons, and if there's nothing else for me to spend that gold on, there's no motivation for me to wait for credit prices to drop, they might not, and I might end up spending more. Hence its my focus because I realise that I am part of the problem, and this is the only solution that seems both obvious and logical.
I also don't see the negative from IRE's side, because someone who wants to get that extra class right now will still need to buy credits from the web site, and has the option of converting direct to lessons, or help put downward pressure on CFS by way of selling for gold then converting to credits.
Some then argue 'but people will just buy their lessons with gold thus not help support IRE by buying credits', hate to say it but those people are already doing that, they're just forced to do it by way of converting gold to credits first, then to lessons, which is where all the needless upward pressure is coming from.
Its not going to crash CFS either because there is still a high need from people who want to buy artefacts over lessons with their credits, and they will be putting upward pressure on CFS.
I'm sure there must be a good argument as to why it wont work, but I still haven't really heard it.
One solution doesn't fit all. A transaction fee would absolutely work if all credit transactions could only take place via the market. This isn't the case. Punishing someone for using the prefered method while the other methods stay cost-free is poor design in the context of Achaea.
Consider for example. Let's use an MMO example that has 30000 average players. That's a very respectable number. Say you were selling your sword of ultimate annihilation on the market, and selling it would result in a 3% transaction fee. There's an alternative though. You could go and market it yourself. However, that simply isn't worth it with that kind of playerbase. You're not only paying for the selling vehicle, you're paying for exposure to a vast group of people you simply would not have access to in a timely manner if you went around trying to sell it on an individual basis.
With Achaea on the other hand, reaching the vast majority of the playerbase simultaneously is trivial. We even have the market channel to facilitate that exact thing. You're not paying for exposure because if you're attempting to liquidate credits you have a direct channel to your entire customer base. The credit market is basically a convenience feature. If it ceases to be convenient, people will not use it.
The argument comes down to "We don't have the time to dedicate to anti cheating systems." That's not a good enough excuse to simply limit EVERYBODY because someone MIGHT be autobashing. That's bad game design.
I say this respectfully to @Sarapis and the other staff. Please don't let my words come across as personal as they are not intended to.
Makarios or Sarapis would have the numbers of how many people log in for more than X timeframe a day vs how many actually hit DR, and how many hit the cap.
Not sure how that would work with the numbers that admin are likely looking at, or if it was considered and discarded for a reason I haven't thought of, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."