At least there's people like @Jurixe who come around and make these -awesome- reports on what's happened in the city newsboards. You should totally get her to write events posts. Those things are crazy good.
Funnily enough, I read the last event posts, and my first thought was that maybe @Jurixe had written it, because the combat scenes sounded kinda like her style.
Then I realized she was squealing with joy on gtalk too often when things were happening for her to have known what was going on before hand.
The event is fascinating. Although I'm not currently pleased about how it has shaken out for my character in particular, I'm trying, trying, trying to suspend those anxieties and look at it from a loftier viewpoint.
This has the trappings of something that could fundamentally shift the power structures and poles of conflict within Achaea. It could shake up what has, admittedly, become a bit of a stale, overdone structure. I look forward to that actually coming to fruition, and hope that it achieves the goals that the admin have for it.
I do really respect that something of this magnitude has a lot of moving parts and is a logistical nightmare to pull off, so props to the people making it happen. My biggest frustration right now is the unknown. It's hard to figure out how to rebuild from something like losing a Divine you've followed for 2 centuries and served as Order Head for. As others have said, we take a go at beating up on Mhaldor or ormyrr when the opportunity presents itself, but other than that, it is difficult to find ways to meaningfully translate the energy that the event has created into anything that relates to the event, since it's all so unknown and (at least for now) outside of player reach.
One thing I will put on the table is that whatever happens, I hope the remaining, probably very tired admin have it in them to give some serious TLC to reinforce whatever existing organizations do remain... and the players that need to keep them afloat. Maybe it's long-festering PTSD from having scrabbled Miramar's Order back from traumatic events time and time again (h/t Synbios for the summary) and dealing with the Church -> Citadel fiasco, but I have some pretty serious anxiety about investing in any amount of time into making organizations (however imperfect they might have been!) function.
At least there's people like @Jurixe who come around and make these -awesome- reports on what's happened in the city newsboards. You should totally get her to write events posts. Those things are crazy good.
Funnily enough, I read the last event posts, and my first thought was that maybe @Jurixe had written it, because the combat scenes sounded kinda like her style.
Then I realized she was squealing with joy on gtalk too often when things were happening for her to have known what was going on before hand.
Maybe all that was just a plot to throw you off my secret- uh I mean.
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I just really hate that my laptop crashed like a week before Ashaxei died and still isn't fixed. Haven't directly witnessed A DAMNED THING.
And I was hoping to beat some Mhaldor after being enemied for trying to buy blank Tarot. It's going to be disappointing when I come back only to find that the island was eaten by Bal'met.
I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
I like Sarapis comment upward about the complexity of the event. For now, it's not about being in the "lesser-involved" part of people that is the main issue for me, but really the schema Mhaldor VS TheRestOfTheWorld - independently on whoever is winning or that kind of things. I would have found if far much interesting that the raise of a new Divine had also been the raise of a new faction, independent of the Achaean history and century old institutions. As a young one, I would have very found interesting the fact that noone ever seen that, even 400 years old dragons, and would have put a more dramatic point of view on how the Elders are dismayed about the fall of a world they thought they controled.
I wanted to post on public board something about that, to try to launch something... But people told me that would only sound as some 20 years old girlish whining... Maybe I'll do it anyway.
Every day sends future to past Every breath leaves me one less to my last
At least there's people like @Jurixe who come around and make these -awesome- reports on what's happened in the city newsboards. You should totally get her to write events posts. Those things are crazy good.
Funnily enough, I read the last event posts, and my first thought was that maybe @Jurixe had written it, because the combat scenes sounded kinda like her style.
Then I realized she was squealing with joy on gtalk too often when things were happening for her to have known what was going on before hand.
Maybe all that was just a plot to throw you off my secret- uh I mean.
I know nothing. Nothing at all!
Yeah that's the things that annoying about living in Australia — hardly any events happen when you're actually there — I understand though it's pointless to run an event when there's maybe 50ppl about instead of maybe 250...still...we do miss out on a bit.
"Faded away like the stars in the morning, Losing their light in the glorious sun, Thus would we pass from this earth and its toiling, Only remembered for what we have done."
About the complexity of the event, just the embers themselves are truly complex and interesting.
Some of the public posts are fantastic. I particularly liked Thyer's and a Mhaldorian lady's whose name I can't remember now. Funny how they could use such really good arguments to defend Evil.
I'm torn between enjoying the event and that something is actually happening on a grand scale to stir people up from the daily political crud of the various city-states and their followings and that there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of anything anyone on the mortal level can do to influence the event in the slightest from a pre-scripted path.
I dunno, I'd thought that on some levels the RP could /influence/ the tracts a game takes. Big changes to the Divine realms, kinda like those old-school Goosebumps novels from back in the day.
I'm also wondering if the IC fact that Mhaldor has pretty well declared war on the Mud with their assaults against the Divine shrines and orders, and the Garden with their leading Divine, if that pretty well gives full license to hunt and kill every Mhaldor citizen, regardless of Ivory Mark, infamous, or whatever.
Where is Lord Neraeos, we've seen and been seeing the legions of Tritons at work. Let Him rise up and besiege Mhaldor, removing it from existence above the surface and taking the Island down into the depths of the Sea. Citadels hitting the harbors obliterating ships, etc. Where's His response to the death of His daughter? Or is He measuring it out? Waiting for the time to strike, as the calm sea suddenly gives way to a tidal wave of unimaginable might...
Its hardly an unknown that Nori isn't a big combatant and more in the scholar role of research/knowledge/archive of vast amounts of information. But I certainly agree with the sentiments of more than a few on here, and am hearing of problems re-cleansing a re-corrupted shrine? And my first thought is, "We just bashed for 4 to 10 hours to cleanse that shrine and its corrupted all over again in 5 minutes? the *beep*?!"
There's a definite sense of "wondering if its bugged" or "wondering why we're bothering with it if we have no impact whatsoever" floating across family clans and ooc clans. And that ends with the sense of "eh, screw it. I'm done. Hit me up on skype once this is over in a few months." as I see characters active nearly a decade walk away.
So, while the PK, the PvP, and the hunt ormyrr groups are out and about having fun, just keep in mind that there's a fair number of players that aren't in the PK know of things that just see it as a "wtf" type event. Big things, lots happen, and yet... nope, still only options are grind hours for ember to find 20 minutes after logging out that the shrine has been re-corrupted (Props to Mhaldor peeps for managing that, btw). Raid Mhaldor. Hunt Ormyrr. ... Oh well, that's still better than just a few short days ago when it was just Raid Mhaldor or Hunt Ormyrr.
Between getting killed near constantly and corrupting (and I'm up net 10% still wtf?) I've found time to RP with both enemy and ally alike and make changes. Have I affected the grand overall event? Not significantly, at least not to my knowledge. But it doesn't change the fact that you have the power to use this event to RP and further grow your character.
Agreed with you on most points. And while Jacen is a combatant (though not a very good one), he's still not going to raid Mhaldor. Why? Because while, in his mind, Mhaldor is doing the most stupid thing they possibly could have done, raiding Mhaldor solves nothing. Back when I was ranting about how I hated the embers, the point was stressed to me several times that death is nothing but an inconvenience to adventurers, IC. So its perfectly in character to carry around something you know is going to kill you, because you know you'll get resurrected.
So, extending this line of thought to Mhaldor, we're not going to put a dent in their population. We can raid raid raid til the cows come home, and Mhaldor will only be inconvenienced. Furthermore, even if we magically wiped out Mhaldor, we've only cured a symptom of the problem. Bal'met will still be hanging around, knocking divine out of the sky like a kid with a BB gun. So, Jacen will not raid Mhaldor, because it accomplishes nothing, until the admin decide it will accomplish something.
Note: None of this is intended as a rant to Mhaldor or the decisions that those players/gods have made. You've got an excellent thing going, though once the event is over, I'm not sure how you'll dig your way out of the image you've created. Props for sticking to your guns.
Always been evil and ruthless, yeah. I was more referring to the fact that they raised a god that intends to destroy sapience, who's killed what, 5 gods now? Everyone's "justifying" the 3-4 city gank on Mhaldor because of their actions. When will the 3-4 city ganking stop being justified? When will the "There's a Mhaldorian, they killed <insert dead god name here>, let's jump them!" idea stop being justified? Maybe when the event's over, everyone will pat each other on the back, and things will go right back to the way they were. I don't see that happening though
This event has been a BLESSING for Mhaldor. They were slipping into irrelevance. At peak times there were maybe 4-5 Mhaldorians around. The city wasn't even worth raiding for Shallam or Eleusis.
Now there are four times as many Mhaldorians around during peak times, not to mention dormant Mhaldorians coming back to get in on the action.
The event is what you make of it. If you just sit back and wait for the pre-scripted parts to happen, then you'll only get that out of it. That's a perfectly legitimate thing to do if that's what you like doing, but there is vast potential for various reactions or subplots you can pursue. I personally was astounded at the lack of people with a focus on scholarly issues trying to find a solution to the shrine corruption before Han-Tolneth showed everyone, for instance. I know there were people discussing possibilities in the Occultists, and it spawned some rather interesting discussions.
@Corruption: Well, its not really surprising. The fact that we can reverse corruption at all is a huge blessing, and something which was an enormous rallying point for a lot of people's characters. Before that it seemed completely hopeless, as a single failure spelled the loss of a shrine permanently. The unveiling that there is a way (if difficult) to cleanse that corruption was one of the best timed and well revealed parts of the event so far, in my opinion. It gave an impression that there was a way to fight back, if only barely.
@Mhaldor: Mhaldor has been intentionally set up to be the absolute evil (har har) in the event. The event design pretty much ensures that everyone will be out for Mhaldor's blood. Considering how well done the event has been so far, I think it perfectly reasonable to assume that the administration has something in mind to keep Mhaldor from getting absolutely curbstomped post event: I find it very doubtful that they overlooked some form of resolution, given the scope of the event.
Not getting involved because death doesn't matter is a personal choice, but personally a stance I find fairly silly. I know from an ooc stance that no faction is going to win Achaea and eradicate all of the others because then we'd have no game: that doesn't mean I'm not going to play because its pointless. Sounds like you're just depriving yourself of opportunities.
I'd have to echo how the event is good for Mhaldor. While I am liking things right now and am still hoping it gets better all around, I am wondering what if it's Ashtan who is allied to Bal'met, given their much bigger population. While Mhaldor can easily respond to raids with accepting Suffering and just trying to fight back, I wonder what would happen if it was Ashtan, who has a group of dedicated RPers in the Occultists, experienced PKers and a big population with different and more relaxed beliefs, would deal with it.
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I'd have to echo how the event is good for Mhaldor. While I am liking things right now and am still hoping it gets better all around, I am wondering what if it's Ashtan who is allied to Bal'met, given their much bigger population. While Mhaldor can easily respond to raids with accepting Suffering and just trying to fight back, I wonder what would happen if it was Ashtan, who has a group of dedicated RPers in the Occultists, experienced PKers and a big population with different and more relaxed beliefs, would deal with it.
@Corruption: Well, its not really surprising. The fact that we can reverse corruption at all is a huge blessing, and something which was an enormous rallying point for a lot of people's characters. Before that it seemed completely hopeless, as a single failure spelled the loss of a shrine permanently. The unveiling that there is a way (if difficult) to cleanse that corruption was one of the best timed and well revealed parts of the event so far, in my opinion. It gave an impression that there was a way to fight back, if only barely.
Ironically I tried to purify it before it was revealed how, guessing the exact verb can be a bit of a pain at times
Not getting involved because death doesn't matter is a personal choice, but personally a stance I find fairly silly. I know from an ooc stance that no faction is going to win Achaea and eradicate all of the others because then we'd have no game: that doesn't mean I'm not going to play because its pointless. Sounds like you're just depriving yourself of opportunities.
Opportunities to raid, yes, but not opportunities to RP. I don't think realizing the folly of attacking when gods have been slain is a silly stance. I understand your point, and if I were a @Penwize (kill it til everything's alright again) then sure, that's exactly what I'd do. Jacen's just trying to figure out the smart approach, not the blunt one.
Eh, fair enough. I'll point out that Bal'met is the divine enemy (obviously out of mortal capabilities to fight against given the event), but the Mhaldorians are a mortal enemy I assume factored partially in to give the players something they can fight against. I don't think anyone has tried to go bash Bal'met yet, which would be vastly different to going and attacking a mortal following (this is actually exactly what happens between orders, a lot of the time. Can't fight the god directly, go beat on their followers).
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I just really hate that my laptop crashed like a week before Ashaxei died and still isn't fixed. Haven't directly witnessed A DAMNED THING.
And I was hoping to beat some Mhaldor after being enemied for trying to buy blank Tarot. It's going to be disappointing when I come back only to find that the island was eaten by Bal'met.
Every breath leaves me one less to my last
Losing their light in the glorious sun,
Thus would we pass from this earth and its toiling,
Only remembered for what we have done."
I dunno, I'd thought that on some levels the RP could /influence/ the tracts a game takes. Big changes to the Divine realms, kinda like those old-school Goosebumps novels from back in the day.
I'm also wondering if the IC fact that Mhaldor has pretty well declared war on the Mud with their assaults against the Divine shrines and orders, and the Garden with their leading Divine, if that pretty well gives full license to hunt and kill every Mhaldor citizen, regardless of Ivory Mark, infamous, or whatever.
Where is Lord Neraeos, we've seen and been seeing the legions of Tritons at work. Let Him rise up and besiege Mhaldor, removing it from existence above the surface and taking the Island down into the depths of the Sea. Citadels hitting the harbors obliterating ships, etc. Where's His response to the death of His daughter? Or is He measuring it out? Waiting for the time to strike, as the calm sea suddenly gives way to a tidal wave of unimaginable might...
Its hardly an unknown that Nori isn't a big combatant and more in the scholar role of research/knowledge/archive of vast amounts of information. But I certainly agree with the sentiments of more than a few on here, and am hearing of problems re-cleansing a re-corrupted shrine? And my first thought is, "We just bashed for 4 to 10 hours to cleanse that shrine and its corrupted all over again in 5 minutes? the *beep*?!"
There's a definite sense of "wondering if its bugged" or "wondering why we're bothering with it if we have no impact whatsoever" floating across family clans and ooc clans. And that ends with the sense of "eh, screw it. I'm done. Hit me up on skype once this is over in a few months." as I see characters active nearly a decade walk away.
So, while the PK, the PvP, and the hunt ormyrr groups are out and about having fun, just keep in mind that there's a fair number of players that aren't in the PK know of things that just see it as a "wtf" type event. Big things, lots happen, and yet... nope, still only options are grind hours for ember to find 20 minutes after logging out that the shrine has been re-corrupted (Props to Mhaldor peeps for managing that, btw). Raid Mhaldor. Hunt Ormyrr. ... Oh well, that's still better than just a few short days ago when it was just Raid Mhaldor or Hunt Ormyrr.
Edit: or if it's the most popular destination for lulzy alts. Thankfully, I haven't seen that in a long time.
Now there are four times as many Mhaldorians around during peak times, not to mention dormant Mhaldorians coming back to get in on the action.
The event is what you make of it. If you just sit back and wait for the pre-scripted parts to happen, then you'll only get that out of it. That's a perfectly legitimate thing to do if that's what you like doing, but there is vast potential for various reactions or subplots you can pursue. I personally was astounded at the lack of people with a focus on scholarly issues trying to find a solution to the shrine corruption before Han-Tolneth showed everyone, for instance. I know there were people discussing possibilities in the Occultists, and it spawned some rather interesting discussions.
@Corruption:
Well, its not really surprising. The fact that we can reverse corruption at all is a huge blessing, and something which was an enormous rallying point for a lot of people's characters. Before that it seemed completely hopeless, as a single failure spelled the loss of a shrine permanently. The unveiling that there is a way (if difficult) to cleanse that corruption was one of the best timed and well revealed parts of the event so far, in my opinion. It gave an impression that there was a way to fight back, if only barely.
@Mhaldor:
Mhaldor has been intentionally set up to be the absolute evil (har har) in the event. The event design pretty much ensures that everyone will be out for Mhaldor's blood. Considering how well done the event has been so far, I think it perfectly reasonable to assume that the administration has something in mind to keep Mhaldor from getting absolutely curbstomped post event: I find it very doubtful that they overlooked some form of resolution, given the scope of the event.
Not getting involved because death doesn't matter is a personal choice, but personally a stance I find fairly silly. I know from an ooc stance that no faction is going to win Achaea and eradicate all of the others because then we'd have no game: that doesn't mean I'm not going to play because its pointless. Sounds like you're just depriving yourself of opportunities.
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