I personally found it rather unprofessional with the titan mechanics. First introduced with the bugs, after being promised for some time. Then, told it'll have to wait for next time (from the obvious bugs). I personally was only sticking around to enjoy the lovely "all class" mechanics, but when it was announced it wont be implemented, I decided to go do something else. Then...apparently, after 1 hour, it was randomly initiated after all?....after having just told us it'll have to wait for the next CTF?
So now, not only did I not get to enjoy the mechanics, but apparently I missed out on them because of faulty public speaking?
what Alliance? Tesha gave Eleusis the flag then told everyone to 'go on the offensive' which meant some just stopped participating in the CTF right there and then
I'm not sure what you would call Targossians sitting on the flag in Shastaan defending it after literally giving the flag to them to plant. Alliance fits.
No surprise though, this is the Xth CTF in a row where the same thing has happened, just wish a Targ or Eleusian God would actually crack down on them about it.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Tbh, the forum reactions make it pretty clear that people's hatred for Mhaldor is more OOC than IC, hence proving my earlier point. If you want to hate on a text game faction OOCly and act on it, okay, go for it! Don't exactly expect that faction to hold back out of OOC respect then, though?
No Inb4, already throwing a temper tantrum in Targossas. Ololol
You can't really expect people to be OOCly polite re: their ingame actions when the other side doesn't.
We're not talking about being polite OOCly. We're talking about...
21+ guards slain and three rooms blown up with no one to dismantle. 15 Mhaldorians vs 6 Targossians. Rolling on 2 hours now.
If Targ wants to assist Eleusis then have all its defenders QQ afterwards, I'm not sure why you think we should just go "Oh, I guess they don't deserve retaliation because they left".
If you don't want this kind of thing to happen, don't help another city because of OOC dislike every CTF!
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
It's a game, no idea why people get so edgey about it. You lost a game inside of a game. Relax. Same applies for any faction that has gone over the top, I've heard of horror stories of Mhaldor exterminating every room, Ashtan killing every guard, Eleusis automation squads with the breath/lightning/snipe combos, etc.
It's when people drag it to the forums it becomes stupid. Just deal with it IC, because ultimately it's IC. What Targ did made sense to me, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' and Eleusis was closest to winning and lesser of evils compared to Evil and Chaos. So why not?
But then it's clear that Mhaldor reacts super negatively OoC (understandably) then goes and does things that make sense IC (like gain retribution/revenge) and then people who are on the receiving side bring it up and cry and Mhaldor has no sympathy from an OoC standpoint so it's just an evil vicious cycle of people being rude.
So why not just stop all the negative comments and lets talk about our favorite parts, or the coolest comeback situation (like when Ashtan and Hashan were attacking us while Xer threw bombs) and making it out alive. Let's not dirty up the public threads where anyone can see it. If you have a problem bring it to rants where it's a bit more private and can just vent out your anger.
No Inb4, already throwing a temper tantrum in Targossas. Ololol
You can't really expect people to be OOCly polite re: their ingame actions when the other side doesn't.
We're not talking about being polite OOCly. We're talking about...
21+ guards slain and three rooms blown up with no one to dismantle. 15 Mhaldorians vs 6 Targossians. Rolling on 2 hours now.
The only reason to not guard-wipe and to keep numbers even is OOC politeness. There's no IC reason to not grief the other faction out of the game--it's simply that people understand that it's OOCly quite rude. This was something that Dethea basically beat into Mhaldor back in the day. A lot of the combatants in Mhaldor are very restrained these days compared to what they once were. But when the other side chooses to, well, kind of flip that concept off, who's going to honestly go 'oh, we should still be nice?'
Like Jarrod said, no one forced half of Targ to quit when the inevitable and predictable raid came, either. Including the person that brought this on Targ, coincidentally!
2015/12/20 01:41:22 - Carmell declared Useli to be a formal enemy. Reason: raiding Targossas. 2015/12/20 01:45:28 - Carmell declared Direxi to be a formal enemy. Reason: raiding the city. 2015/12/20 01:50:53 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 01:51:30 - Jarrod slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 01:52:20 - Hasar slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 01:52:34 - Medi slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 01:52:49 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:02:51 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:03:12 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:03:30 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:03:59 - Medi slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:04:19 - The City of Mhaldor has declared a sanctioned raid against the City. 2015/12/20 02:04:28 - Watchman slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:07:42 - Cresil slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:08:18 - Cresil slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:08:44 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:08:59 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:09:16 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:09:33 - Watchman slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:09:53 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:10:37 - Jemaine slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:10:55 - Vignar slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:11:07 - Jemaine slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 02:31:54 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed The Targossian Treasury. 2015/12/20 02:41:10 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed A radiant aviary. 2015/12/20 02:41:46 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed The Archival Conservatory. 2015/12/20 02:53:41 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman. 2015/12/20 03:00:20 - The City of Mhaldor has withdrawn from the City, ending the sanctioned raid.
lol.
OOCly, pretty sure Targ deserved this. ICly, Kas is pissed off.
However, I logged in and qq-ed pretty quickly, because it's been a long ass day in the ER, so I'm not thinking too clearly right now anyway.
Tbf that's not even 'griefy' so while I'm arguing philosophically here, Mhaldor's not really doing anything that spiteful anyway. Targ decided to shout IC and taunt over it, Targ did an IC action against Mhaldor, Targ gets retaliated against ICly. 20 guards is hardly that bad.
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Tenne
[CITY LEADERS]
Dawnlord: Havyn
Patron: Aurora and Deucalion
Lumarchs: Aodfionn, Micaelis, Havyn, Rohai, and Quisse
Ambassador: Zuko
Minister of War: Austere
Minister of Security: Draekar
Treasurer: Yen
Steward: Baldazar
Minister of Trade: Seifur
Chancellor: Elawien
Minister of Cultural Affairs: Tesha
Minister of Development: Jadys
Minister of Maritime Affairs: Greys
It was noted the moment she passed the flag onto Eleusis on our PT. I think it's a very fair response from Mhaldor to be quite unhappy with a very well-known representative of Targossas deciding to help an enemy. Sure, it's a "lesser" evil for them (... but still their enemy), but it doesn't preclude us from responding.
ICly, Mhaldor, as a city, is not going to just stand aside and accept two cities, who should be enemies, working together. So yes. We raided. And we blew some rooms and killed some guards, all of which will not be felt after a couple of days. We didn't have quite enough people for Eleusis, unfortunately, though that's not to say we won't still try.
Why is this seen not only ICly as petulant, but OOCly as well? This gives more of a feel of bias against Mhaldor as a whole, rather than actually taking time to understand the position. And frankly, it's fairly unattractive of those who are stating such things.
Now, with that said...
Well done, Mhaldor. Despite the technical victory slipping from our grasp, the amazing amount of work that came together not just for the CTF, but the staff as well as the Adryn games really shows how much investment our (crazy) players has. Am proud of you guys.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Mhaldor does throw the best tantrums. @Kiet You mean everyone is just used to Mhaldor throwing a fit like usual?
Truth and eventually they usually get bright shiny toys or other cities blown up. Just waiting... pass the popcorn will you?
(Blades of Valour): He just has that Synbios Swagger enough said. (Blades of Valour): Draekar says: "Synbios if sunbeams sparkle off that I'll kill you where you stand."
(Party) Halos says, "Disbar?" (Party) Draekar says, "You know here we have disbar." (Party) Draekar says, "And over there we have datbar."
I'm also confused that Mhaldor responding IC is seen as petulant and Targ helping Eleusis beat Mhaldor for OOC reasons (both enemies, but they dislike Mhaldor) is not.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
While I understand why Mhaldor isn't happy about Tesha doing what she did, at the same time from a Targossas perspective Eleusis is by far the lesser of two proverbial Evils in that scenario.
I don't think it's really that bad to make a decision to support an enemy of your enemy, to thwart an enemy from winning, when you're obviously out of contention. It does against RP, but if you look at RP as you would morals IRL, it's not just a static state of being. They're going to alter and adjust based on situations.
With that said, it would be better to have everyone stand on their own, win or lose. That didn't happen, and it sucks, but it's not that big of a stretch either.
If that's the way they choose to play it. But, and I say this OOC, Targossas has a very slimy feel to it. It doesn't feel like the city of Good. It's...I don't know. Pretending to be Good? I mean one thing that pervades all good factions in general is that they're honest, upright, and principled. Targossas is more...the ends justify the means.
Tbf that's not even 'griefy' so while I'm arguing philosophically here, Mhaldor's not really doing anything that spiteful anyway. Targ decided to shout IC and taunt over it, Targ did an IC action against Mhaldor, Targ gets retaliated against ICly. 20 guards is hardly that bad.
And the bank and the post office and the news.
I didn't even stay logged in enough to process how Kas felt about the Eleusis thing, because that's another story and it's been too long of a day. But OOCly, I don't blame Mhaldor at all. Just frustrating to log in to the middle of something you had nothing to do with when all you really wanna do is help build a sandman.
While I understand why Mhaldor isn't happy about Tesha doing what she did, at the same time from a Targossas perspective Eleusis is by far the lesser of two proverbial Evils in that scenario.
I don't think it's really that bad to make a decision to support an enemy of your enemy, to thwart an enemy from winning, when you're obviously out of contention. It does against RP, but if you look at RP as you would morals IRL, it's not just a static state of being. They're going to alter and adjust based on situations.
With that said, it would be better to have everyone stand on their own, win or lose. That didn't happen, and it sucks, but it's not that big of a stretch either.
If that's the way they choose to play it. But, and I say this OOC, Targossas has a very slimy feel to it. It doesn't feel like the city of Good. It's...I don't know. Pretending to be Good? I mean one thing that pervades all good factions in general is that they're honest, upright, and principled. Targossas is more...the ends justify the means.
Apart from this whole CTF thing, I think that's part of the point of the city - it's rough and tumble Good. I think one of the Axioms of Righteousness is: If a law prevents you from your task, rewrite it. If a moral gives you pause, expunge it. If a man stands in your way, cut him down.
No one is saying that. Can we all just drop it? This is becoming a rant thread, seriously, take it somewhere else guys.
The people yelling about 'tantrums' aren't saying that, really?
You're trying to restart when I'm trying to disarm. Targ can say whatever they want, but I frankly hate when I try to bring friends into the game and they look at forums or look into the game and they read threads like this where it's nothing but snark, bias, favortism, and people being rude to each other. We're supposed to be a community and a family, and honestly, the games in the game only bring out the worst in people. Things make sense in an IC standing point, but all this OoC hate and bringing down what the admin worked so hard on.
I just want to see positive posts from all sides that doesn't include factions yelling at each other other posts, then allies from the factions like their posts. There's clear OoC reactions from Mhaldor regardless what anyone says, there's also clear reactions from Targossas, fine. We have emotions, but that's no reason to make this thread into the TMC.
I'm also confused that Mhaldor responding IC is seen as petulant and Targ helping Eleusis beat Mhaldor for OOC reasons (both enemies, but they dislike Mhaldor) is not.
You're assuming ooc reasons. Could easily have made that decision IC.
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When every city except Cyrene is hostile towards your city, I fail to see how assisting one of them when it has no chance of resulting in the victory of Good is an IC decision. It's a "We want Nature to win" decision, when Nature is actively hostile towards Targossas.
For those who think Nature/Targ aren't hostile towards each other, there was this post by some guy who probably has a decent representation of Eleusis:
PUBLIC NEWS #19754 (10/11/2015 at 09:28)
From : Wildguard Rangor Corten, Seer of the Forest
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So now, not only did I not get to enjoy the mechanics, but apparently I missed out on them because of faulty public speaking?
Unhappy.
No surprise though, this is the Xth CTF in a row where the same thing has happened, just wish a Targ or Eleusian God would actually crack down on them about it.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
@Kiet You mean everyone is just used to Mhaldor throwing a fit like usual?
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Personally, I don't hate them. But I am not surprised if people do for the stuff they tend to pull.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
21+ guards slain and three rooms blown up with no one to dismantle.
15 Mhaldorians vs 6 Targossians. Rolling on 2 hours now.
If you don't want this kind of thing to happen, don't help another city because of OOC dislike every CTF!
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Just as usual, Mhaldor
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
It's when people drag it to the forums it becomes stupid. Just deal with it IC, because ultimately it's IC. What Targ did made sense to me, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' and Eleusis was closest to winning and lesser of evils compared to Evil and Chaos. So why not?
But then it's clear that Mhaldor reacts super negatively OoC (understandably) then goes and does things that make sense IC (like gain retribution/revenge) and then people who are on the receiving side bring it up and cry and Mhaldor has no sympathy from an OoC standpoint so it's just an evil vicious cycle of people being rude.
So why not just stop all the negative comments and lets talk about our favorite parts, or the coolest comeback situation (like when Ashtan and Hashan were attacking us while Xer threw bombs) and making it out alive. Let's not dirty up the public threads where anyone can see it. If you have a problem bring it to rants where it's a bit more private and can just vent out your anger.
It's a game people, let's enjoy it.
Like Jarrod said, no one forced half of Targ to quit when the inevitable and predictable raid came, either. Including the person that brought this on Targ, coincidentally!
2015/12/20 01:45:28 - Carmell declared Direxi to be a formal enemy. Reason: raiding the city.
2015/12/20 01:50:53 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 01:51:30 - Jarrod slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 01:52:20 - Hasar slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 01:52:34 - Medi slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 01:52:49 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:02:51 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:03:12 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:03:30 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:03:59 - Medi slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:04:19 - The City of Mhaldor has declared a sanctioned raid against the City.
2015/12/20 02:04:28 - Watchman slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:07:42 - Cresil slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:08:18 - Cresil slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:08:44 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:08:59 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:09:16 - Aegoth slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:09:33 - Watchman slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:09:53 - Tirac slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:10:37 - Jemaine slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:10:55 - Vignar slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:11:07 - Jemaine slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 02:31:54 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed The Targossian Treasury.
2015/12/20 02:41:10 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed A radiant aviary.
2015/12/20 02:41:46 - The forces of Mhaldor have destroyed The Archival Conservatory.
2015/12/20 02:53:41 - Saeva slew a Brighthold watchman.
2015/12/20 03:00:20 - The City of Mhaldor has withdrawn from the City, ending the sanctioned raid.
lol.
OOCly, pretty sure Targ deserved this. ICly, Kas is pissed off.
However, I logged in and qq-ed pretty quickly, because it's been a long ass day in the ER, so I'm not thinking too clearly right now anyway.
It was noted the moment she passed the flag onto Eleusis on our PT. I think it's a very fair response from Mhaldor to be quite unhappy with a very well-known representative of Targossas deciding to help an enemy. Sure, it's a "lesser" evil for them (... but still their enemy), but it doesn't preclude us from responding.
ICly, Mhaldor, as a city, is not going to just stand aside and accept two cities, who should be enemies, working together. So yes. We raided. And we blew some rooms and killed some guards, all of which will not be felt after a couple of days. We didn't have quite enough people for Eleusis, unfortunately, though that's not to say we won't still try.
Why is this seen not only ICly as petulant, but OOCly as well? This gives more of a feel of bias against Mhaldor as a whole, rather than actually taking time to understand the position. And frankly, it's fairly unattractive of those who are stating such things.
Now, with that said...
Well done, Mhaldor. Despite the technical victory slipping from our grasp, the amazing amount of work that came together not just for the CTF, but the staff as well as the Adryn games really shows how much investment our (crazy) players has. Am proud of you guys.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
(Blades of Valour): Draekar says: "Synbios if sunbeams sparkle off that I'll kill you where you stand."
(Party) Halos says, "Disbar?"
(Party) Draekar says, "You know here we have disbar."
(Party) Draekar says, "And over there we have datbar."
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
No but seriously we totally do it to piss you off.
I didn't even stay logged in enough to process how Kas felt about the Eleusis thing, because that's another story and it's been too long of a day. But OOCly, I don't blame Mhaldor at all. Just frustrating to log in to the middle of something you had nothing to do with when all you really wanna do is help build a sandman.
I just want to see positive posts from all sides that doesn't include factions yelling at each other other posts, then allies from the factions like their posts. There's clear OoC reactions from Mhaldor regardless what anyone says, there's also clear reactions from Targossas, fine. We have emotions, but that's no reason to make this thread into the TMC.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
For those who think Nature/Targ aren't hostile towards each other, there was this post by some guy who probably has a decent representation of Eleusis:
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."