Bacon and RP

Kasya

Thank you @Sarapis for the thread name change. Because um... I'm on the forums at work and I didn't want to explain this thread title.

Szanthax

Adet said:

Szanthax said:

Apparently bacon really is a carcinogen... Damn you world health organization.

It is... but the IARC (who assign categories) don't communicate risk very well (they deal in evidence).  Group 1 (to which processed meats have recently been added) is substances which are carcinogenic to humans - but that says nothing about the level: all it means is that, at some level of consumption of processed meat, there is some increase in risk of getting some kind of cancer (in this case, it's an 18% increased risk* of bowel cancer).

Most potential carcinogens fall into Group 2A/2B (probably/possibly carconigenic to humans) or Group 3 (not enough information).  One substance - caprolactam - is in Group 4: probably not carcinogenic.

Cancer Research UK made a nice diagram:



*There's an essay to be written on what an 18% increased risk of bowel cancer means, as well - but I'll spare you that.  Suffice it to say, this is a very small risk.

I'll eat everything... 'Merica

Aereidhna

Krypton said:

Is it possible to eat MUD-bacon in such a way that it represents only an Achaean character's interests, and not yours (the player's)?

I don't believe so.

Bacon ≠ RP

Spoilering for TMI, but since this keeps coming up over and over and over and it is a huge misconception IMHO...

I disagree. I don't always get or expect some sort of RL sexual satisfaction out of mudsex, and have sought that less and less over the years (partly due to RP and partly because I just have a low sex drive). If Aereidhna makes out or has sex, it's because it's what she would do at that moment, given that she is madly in lurrrrve and in the honeymoon phase of a relationship and whatnot. I might sometimes find it arousing, but that's actually incidental to roleplaying her character and is less common than is assumed. (Also less common is me acting on that arousal.) Aereidhna's romantic and sexual proclivities do not fully mirror mine in a couple of significant ways. Navarr's player and I discussed the IC/OOC boundary quite a bit, along with our comfort level and so on, and our characters' experiences/desires aren't necessarily reflective of our RL experiences/desires. I don't see anything wrong with having mudsex for the purpose of getting off OOC (and I've done that before), but I do believe it is entirely possible to have mudsex in a way that it represents the character's interests and not your own. I get enjoyment from it because I enjoy RPing Aereidhna's life, including her relationships, OOC sexual enjoyment is incidental to that if it happens at all. You could chalk my experience up to being an anomaly, but I don't necessarily think that's the case, either.

Daklore said: 
What if you're religiously forbidden from bacon in real life? Then you -can- eat bacon in-character outside of your own interests.
Unless you're like, seriously tempted by bacon in reality and this is just your way of "indulging" without sinning ... ... would eating text-bacon be a sin for someone who can't actually eat bacon because of religion? I don't know. This is why I'm an athiest, but someone let me know, please?

Depends entirely on the religion, but speaking as a follower of a religion that gets a reputation for being 'strict' about this sort of thing...I would say most mainstream scholars and practitioners of my religion would consider mudsex sinful, along with books, movies, etc. that contain graphic depictions of sex. Probably not to the same degree that actually having sex outside of marriage is sinful, but still certainly going down the wrong path. I don't think it would get a pass as "indulging" without sin because that concept doesn't really exist in my faith, the idea is that you want to avoid sin as well as any sort of thing that could lead you into sin. There is also the issue of potentially getting swept up in romantic fantasies/feelings about someone who isn't your spouse, just aside from the whole sexual aspect.

That said, I believe all religious people (whether they admit to it or not) tend to pick and choose what to follow. In every religion that bans pre-marital sex, bacon, drinking, tattoos, etc. there are plenty of people who do those things and still believe in God. I'm observant (some might say to the extreme) with some aspects of my religion, and other aspects I struggle with, and even other aspects I just don't necessarily agree with at all (or follow a non-mainstream interpretation). There are plenty of people in my religion who might not commit the sin of pre-marital sex or adultery because *gasp* it's so awful who actively gossip (which is a huge, huge sin in my faith) and see no problem with that. Human beings are complex and flawed.

Anatral

The way I see it is that if you say to someone, "hey, would you like some bacon?" and they go, "oh my Lords and Ladies, foozle yes, I would LOVE some bacon! Thanks!" Then, you’re on pretty solid ground that the person you’re talking to would like to eat some bacon.

If you say, "Hey, would you like some bacon?" and they turn their back a little, look slightly uncomfortable or don’t move in any way for a long time, or say, "I’m not really sure…" then you can prepare yourself to make the bacon by all means or not, but  be aware that they might not eat it, and if they don’t eat it then - and this is the important bit - don’t make them eat it. You can’t blame them for you going to the effort of grilling up some finger-licking juicy, but just enough crispy, bacon on the off-chance that they wanted it; you just have to deal with them not eating it. Worst case - you eat it yourself. Silently. Just because you made the bacon doesn’t mean you are entitled to watch them eat it.

If they say, "No, thank you" then don’t make the bacon. No really, just don’t make any bacon. Don’t mention bacon again, don’t take the bacon out of the fridge and don’t eat your bacon in front of them. Don’t get annoyed at them for not wanting bacon - they just don’t want to eat bacon, ok?

They might well say, "Yes please, that’s kind of you" and then when the bacon gets out of the kitchen, they actually don’t want any bacon at all. Sure, that’s pretty annoying as you’ve gone to all the effort of making the damn bacon, but they remain under no obligation to eat it. They did want bacon, but now they don’t. Sometimes people change their mind in the time it takes to grill up some delicious bacon. And it’s ok for people to change their mind, and you are still not entitled to watch them eat it even though you went to the trouble of making it.

If they are unconscious, don’t make them bacon. Unconscious people don’t want bacon and can’t answer the question “do you want bacon” because they are unconscious.

Ok, maybe they were conscious when you asked them if they wanted bacon, and they said yes, but in the time it took you to warm up the grill, peel off the slices, and turn each slice after a few minutes they are now unconscious. You should just turn off the heat, make sure the unconscious person is safe, and  – this is the important bit – don’t make them eat the bacon. They said yes then, sure, but unconscious people don’t want bacon.

If someone said yes to bacon, started eating it, and then passed out before they’d finished it, don’t keep on pouring it down their throat. Take the bacon away and make sure they are safe.  Because unconscious people don’t want bacon. Trust me on this.

If someone said “yes” to bacon around your  house last Sarapin, that doesn’t mean that they want you to make them bacon all the time. They don’t want you to come around unexpectedly to their place with your bacon in your and make them bacon and force them to eat it going “BUT YOU WANTED BACON LAST YEAR”, or to wake up to find you feeding bacon down their throat going “BUT YOU WANTED BACON LAST MONTH”.

And on that note, I’m going to make myself some bacon.

Original version: http://rockstardinosaurpirateprincess.com/2015/03/02/consent-not-actually-that-complicated/

Tahquil

I think a lot of these situations get a bit murky because outside because outside people don't have all the information so it is common to lump people who eat bacon because it is came with the breakfast they ordered with people who seek out bacon all the time so they can eat it covered in marmalade.

People who mudsex because it's part of a bigger story vs. people who's whole purpose of is to find mudsex and ladle it full of as many perversions as they can.

Let's say you have a vegetarian character. To outsiders they only see the vegetarian but -

Scenario one:
A character is a vegetarian because when she was poor and living on the streets she ate a bacteria filled steak and got sick. From then on she only eats vegetables because she considers them a safer option - Story driven. It doesn't matter if the player behind is vegetarian or omnivore, There is a story to support the character's actions.

Scenario two:
A character is a vegetarian because the player behind it is a vegetarian and they can't imagine eating meat ever, even as a character in a game and goes no further to justify the character's actions - Player indulgent. There's not really any IG reasoning to support the character's disgust of meat.

However you can't tell which category a character/motivation falls into without having a better understanding of the character in question. Some will be 2, others will be in 1.

I can also see that people will always bring it down to 'but it's the player's choice to say yes or no'. Damn straight it is the player's choice, just like everything that that happens to your character is ultimately in the is the player saying yes or no be it 'would you like another cookie?' to 'do you want to eviscerate this orphan an wear it's liver like a hat?'. Just because you say yes doen't mean you love cookies or you're a twisted ass serial killer IRL.

Funny people hold sex a greater taboo than corpse mutilation, genocide and infanticide.

Valkyn

I can pretty much echo Aeireidhna's experiences exactly (well, the first part, not the religious bit, I'm not religious). Maybe it's different for guys, or even for other women.

With that in mind, after once or twice for RP, mudsex can be *really* boring sometimes. Repetitive, time consuming, takes a lot of thought. Less like sex, and more like... writing an essay. On an interesting topic, to be fair, but still.

Krypton

Anatral said:

Because unconscious people don’t want bacon. Trust me on this.

Original version: http://rockstardinosaurpirateprincess.com/2015/03/02/consent-not-actually-that-complicated/

See, this is where the analogy falls apart... because BACON.

Unconscious people want bacon.

Everyone wants bacon.

It is the 4th Law of Thermodynamics, and the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Valkyn

Only if it's good bacon.

Cynlael

Anatral said:
Original version: http://rockstardinosaurpirateprincess.com/2015/03/02/consent-not-actually-that-complicated/

Better.

Klendathu

I don't just want bacon, I want 50 Shades of Bacon.

Ognog

Klendathu said:

I don't just want bacon, I want 50 Shades of Bacon.

I know of a place in Hashan that can cater to your needs. Just ask for Kaethryn.

Sarapis

I want to clarify something: It's not illegal at all to cook bacon for and feed it to a willing minor. It may be unethical (like if it's turkey bacon for instance) and may serve the anti-porcine agenda, but not illegal! You can even legally feed them bacon that isn't fully crisped up yet. Again, many people will have a problem with limp bacon, and nobody is looking to cut the person who can't cook bacon properly a break, but still, not illegal!

Austere

I can't for the life of me understand how in the.. what the....

-Why-

I feel like a psychologist would have a field day in this thread.

Kez

I have a log from 572 that's surprisingly relevant :surprised: but I had to take some stuff out that might be a bit too far for forums. Gosh I miss Goggo.

Holy crap spoilers not working.

(Market): Wattsee says, "After the dragon eating that has a heart

attack, eat their roasted heart. I will taste like bacon. Dozing Dragon

Hashan."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "I don't think you taste like bacon,

love."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "More like..."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Orgasms?"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Well i wasn't going to be that

blunt."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Mm mm bluntness."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Speaking of blunt... no.. no.. new

subject!"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Bacon."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "And that's all I have to say

about that."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "I strongly prefer orgasms."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Well duh."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Don't worry love, I won't make

you wear a bacon bakini."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Well you know I luuuuuuuurve

bacon... but still. Priorities."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Must be careful, watching which

clan I'm in...."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Goggo is remarkably silent."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "He's looking up "orgasm" in the

dictionary."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Sooner or later, he'll find a

good page, then he'll know what it means, and those pages shall forever

be glued together."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "I find that best taught face to

face, hand to hand, etc."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Face to crotch?"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "That works too!"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Much more efficient than face to

face."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "A personal preference."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "I never had an orgasm from kissing

or holding hands."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Goggo says, "Uuhm sorry was daydreaming.. and

whats all this about bacon hehe."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "I did once."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Hahaha classic Goggo."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Bacon? really? that's the part you

zero in on?"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Someone get him that dictionary."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Bacon, would it make good

lingerie?"

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "But yes that is classic Goggo.

A whole conversation about orgasm and he comments on the bacon."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Goggo says, "Well.. hehe, well was better to

picture Kez in a bacon bikini than Allene missing channels talking about

(censored)."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Not..... from...... oi."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "... i love you."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "SHE said that... for the

record."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "You were still talking about

it."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Allene says, "Crispy bacon... none o that

soft wilty crap."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Yes... much prefer hard to wilty."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Everyone loves stiff meat."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Limp.... or worse.... soggy...

bleh."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "When it's soft it's more like

having a chew toy in your mouth."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): You say, "Nobody wants that."

(Lupine Hunters' Council): Wattsee says, "Especially the chewing bit."

Silvarien

There's a dimension of this you guys are missing: namely, that the Bacon can RP eating YOU. That's right, folks, one way to play a Quisalis mark is to simply feed your target alive to the pigs. Like this fine gentleman did with his mob rival:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515069/Gangster-kills-rival-feeding-alive-pigs-year-feud-members-Italian-crime-syndicate.html

Aerek

That's just because even most trolls fear the cybersex stigma, which is considerable in Achaea, for whatever reason you want to postulate. No one wants to joke or exaggerate in here for fear of getting hit with that label in-game (or more accurately, on OOC channels.), which has allowed for more coherent discourse.

Also Sarapis has been a consistent, visible presence in the thread. Folks know to play nice when daddy's watching.

Aegoth

Ugh, I honestly get harassed so much by random mudsexers. People don't believe me, but this time I made video footage of how I was heinously harrassed by a boxom siren in Minia  

Jeslyn

I don't care what people do as long as it is not in my grove. On two separate ocassions, I've had the pleasant opportunity, as a fairly hidden Tsol'aan, to either eject them or start throwing firecrackers (I don't remember who gave me that idea, but the reaction was fairly awesome). Trees are homes too, I don't want to pick up people's sex toy litter.

Edit: @aegoth stop being such a handsome mfer. You'd get harassed less. 

Sarathai

Jeslyn said:

I don't care what people do as long as it is not in my grove. On two separate ocassions, I've had the pleasant opportunity, as a fairly hidden Tsol'aan, to either eject them or start throwing firecrackers (I don't remember who gave me that idea, but the reaction was fairly awesome). Trees are homes too, I don't want to pick up people's sex toy litter.

This is why I originally moved my grove out of the Aureliana and away from the Vundamere crowd. Nothing kills affection for a grove location faster than walking into it to see that two novices have dropped a blanket and are cavorting naked about the place.

Krypton

Oooooh... so that's why Hyperlith put his Grove in Harae, 10 aggro poharaehe deep.

Athelas

AB GROVES SHARING suddenly has a whole new meaning.

Krypton said:

Oooooh... so that's why Hyperlith put his Grove in Harae, 10 aggro poharaehe deep.

@Hyperlith Your wisdom astounds your protégée to this day!

Trevize

You think groves are bad? Track down anyone you see sit still on the wilderness map.

Shirszae

Trevize said:

You think groves are bad? Track down anyone you see sit still on the wilderness map.

Well, thats more asking for it, really. At least people sitting in the wilderness are literally doing stuff out of the way. 

Trevize

Shirszae said:

Trevize said:

You think groves are bad? Track down anyone you see sit still on the wilderness map.

Well, thats more asking for it, really. At least people sitting in the wilderness are literally doing stuff out of the way. 

Hmm, true. I used to track to people I could when exploring randomly, on my Druid, just to see if they found something I didn't.

I stopped doing that pretty fast.

Kez

That seems like cheating.

I have grove returned to find people screwing in my grove.

... They scolded me for invading their privacy.

Krypton

They took away our Grove Cage.

They took away our final defence... our last hope of shielding our innocent forestal eyes from t3h horrible MUDsex.

Trevize

Krypton said:

They took away our Grove Cage.

They took away our final defence... our last hope of shielding our innocent forestal eyes from t3h horrible MUDsex.

Walk in

yell ritual at my grove, head on over everyone!

blink

yell actually, we may have to wait, there's a fertility rite going on. unless anyone wants to join that?

Nakari

This is why it pays to be Mhaldorian. I feel well within my RP to start stormhammering anyone using my grove for public displays of affection.

Tharvis

on the note of groves and walking in on things in the wilderness - since when can you imprint a grove in the wilderness?

Skye

you can't imprint I think, but IIRC you can plant your staff to port your grove.