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    A halloween costume you say...?! 


    REDNECK ROCKER HORSE TO THE RESCUE
    This, for some reason, scared the shit out of me while in class. Thanks.

  • Eld said:
    Xae said:
    First time going to the chiropractor, and they were appalled to see these results. >.>

    Red is bad, black is off the charts... This doesn't even show everything, the paperwork was much worse.

    So glad I decided to go!
    What they don't tell you is that the scale is "amount of bullshit we're peddling".
    Truth. Got what I thought was a disc injury in my lumbar spine. Bad health insurance. Went to a chiropractor first, got similar results to that. They didn't help. Sucked it up and went to an orthopedic doc to get an MRI of my spine...They said I had a slight disc bulge around L4/L5 but the rest of my spine was healthy as an ox. 
    Chiropractor I go to didn't use any technology. Uses massage therapy and heat packs to locate areas that need attention, as well as being capable of seeing and feeling tight muscles anywhere. Then, if necessary, cracks a few things or does some minor spinal manipulation. Has worked wonders for me so far.
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    Not gonna lie, I toss and turn a lot at night and have a good amount of aches and pains, so I suspect if I had the cash for it, I'd find a reputable chiropractor and get some work done.

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  • edited October 2014
    The chiropractor I go to also only costs 65AUD per appointment too, which I think is pretty cheap!
  • XaeXae
    edited October 2014
    @Eld You see, normally I believe when people say "full of shite" when it comes to chiropractors, because I've only heard bad things about them.

    [spoiler]I had several x-rays done, range of motion exam (then they tested some other movement, since I can't feel my pinkies), that right there shows, I think, the tenseness of my muscles, then I had to get my nerves examined, and then I had a third guy come in and test the softness of tissue along my spine. After seeing my x-rays, I think it's safe to assume my back is all sorts of crapped and the pain I've been feeling for months is finally going to get resolved. (I'll upload the x-rays when I'm allowed to keep them)

    I dunno, depends on the area and chiropractor. They're going to realign my spine and retrain my muscle memory so I stop getting knots and stop feeling ew altogether, fix the weight in which I stand (I lean to the right), fix my hip and shoulder alignment too..

    . The one I'm going to be frequenting also has massage therapists in the building, physical therapists, and they actually give you a step by step of what they're going to do (with your permission) and how things are gonna get solved. x: And if you don't give two hoots, they're like "Well, at least we educated you on what's been going on and why things have been sucking for you". [/spoiler]
    tl;dr I trust these people because I AM HURTING.

    @Jukilian My first visit, the evaluation, was only $45 and I think each visit is $35-40 :3 My mom recommended them to me and since they helped her with her neck after a whiplash, she's been doing grand and only goes in for the slight readjustments every other month.
    I'll probably be shifting over to Starmourn, seeya there!
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  • Yeah, those holes aren't nearly big enough *sagenod*
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  • edited October 2014
    Breaking news. Nice, relaxing back massage eases built up tension in back and makes you feel great. More at 11.

    Or you could go to the spa or reputable massage parlour and get the same thing for a third of the price. If you have a posture problem then a massage will certainly help and if you are conscious about your posture the problem will most likely improve. But why pay someone who bases their practice on a 1895 article about "subluxations" 30-40 dollars on repeat visits for what is essentially temporary relief that could be had form the local Thai Massage parlour?

    There is a reason you never read about major sports stars being treated by the chiropractor when they get injured and need to get better. If you have a serious problem with your back, go to a orthopedist or physiotherapist, if you have some built up tension in your neck, go to the lady next to the pizza place in main street.

  • edited October 2014
    There is a difference between relaxation massages and remedial/deep tissue massages, keep in mind. Most massage therapists should offer them though.

    I would argue that some chiropractors do make an extra difference on top of the massage work. My dad had an issue with a nerve in his neck which could have been serious but was able to have the issue fixed in a couple visits.
  • Xae said:
    @Eld You see, normally I believe when people say "full of shite" when it comes to chiropractors, because I've only heard bad things about them.

    [spoiler]I had several x-rays done, range of motion exam (then they tested some other movement, since I can't feel my pinkies), that right there shows, I think, the tenseness of my muscles, then I had to get my nerves examined, and then I had a third guy come in and test the softness of tissue along my spine. After seeing my x-rays, I think it's safe to assume my back is all sorts of crapped and the pain I've been feeling for months is finally going to get resolved. (I'll upload the x-rays when I'm allowed to keep them)

    I dunno, depends on the area and chiropractor. They're going to realign my spine and retrain my muscle memory so I stop getting knots and stop feeling ew altogether, fix the weight in which I stand (I lean to the right), fix my hip and shoulder alignment too..

    . The one I'm going to be frequenting also has massage therapists in the building, physical therapists, and they actually give you a step by step of what they're going to do (with your permission) and how things are gonna get solved. x: And if you don't give two hoots, they're like "Well, at least we educated you on what's been going on and why things have been sucking for you". [/spoiler]
    tl;dr I trust these people because I AM HURTING.

    @Jukilian My first visit, the evaluation, was only $45 and I think each visit is $35-40 :3 My mom recommended them to me and since they helped her with her neck after a whiplash, she's been doing grand and only goes in for the slight readjustments every other month.
    Started a reply to @Jukilian's post last night, but didn't get to finish it, so I'll just start over here. Spoilered for length, since I'm sure this isn't what most people are coming to this thread for.
    TLDR: I really hope that it helps with your pain, or if not, that you find something that does. Just be wary of claims of extensive health effects from small spinal "problems".

    [spoiler]The bullshit comment wasn't necessarily aimed at all chiropractors. The ones who stick to simple spinal manipulation, massage, and the like, for actual musculoskeletal problems related to the spine are probably mostly ok (although the research suggests that any benefit of spinal manipulation for back pain is barely better than placebo, if at all). The problems are with the ones who believe that tiny vertebral misalignments cause cascading problems in other, completely unrelated, regions of the body, deteriorate general health, and so on (the subluxation theory that @Arador alluded to). There's no credible evidence that that theory is correct, or that treatments offered based on it are effective for most of what they claim to treat. The reason that I jumped straight to the "peddling bullshit" is that the high-tech scientific-seeming tests, along with things like leg-length differences, are very common methods of convincing people that they need treatment that they don't, or more than they need.

    Obviously, you're in real pain, and it sounds like it may well be the sort of thing that might actually be helped by manipulative therapy. I hope that that's the case, and that it works for you. The fact that they're using multiple approaches (massage and PT in addition to the chiropractic stuff) probably makes it more likely that some aspect of it will help, and might be a sign that this chiropractor is one of the less dogmatic about the subluxation stuff, which would be good. I would just suggest that you be wary of them trying to sell you on treatments for supposed problems beyond what you specifically came in to be treated for, or on long-term maintenance treatment (periodic realignments and such - as far as I know, there's no reason to think that spinal manipulation is useful as preventive care for anything), and continue discussing the problems and the care you're getting from them with your regular physician (assuming, of course, that you have one). 

    As an aside, "because I'm hurting" is a good reason to try things out if you think they might help, but a bad reason to trust someone. Pain only makes it more difficult to critically evaluate people's claims, and makes you much more likely to fall victim to people selling sham treatments that don't work; that's part of (probably a very large part of) the reason that people still manage to make so much money from "alternative medicine" that clearly doesn't work. Not saying that's what's happening here, but being in pain is a reason to be more careful about that kind of thing, not more trusting.

    I would also recommend some healthy skepticism regarding x-rays. There's a very broad range of "normal" when it comes to spinal conformations (degrees of curvature and the like) and if you're not trained to interpret x-rays, it's very easy to be convinced that something is abnormal and needs to be fixed when it doesn't. Even things that do seem like they would plausibly cause pain (like disc degeneration) don't correlate nearly as well as you might expect with actual pain.

    I don't have time to look up a whole lot of references regarding the evidence about subluxation and efficacy of chiropractic in general, but this article and the references therein are probably a decent start. I can dig up some more later, if you're interested.
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-a-summary-of-concerns/
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  • @Tibitha where is that? Looks like a little place I used to drive up to in Ohio when I lived in Nashville.


  • Saeva said:
    @Tibitha where is that? Looks like a little place I used to drive up to in Ohio when I lived in Nashville.
    Lesotho! XD

    Wish we had decent slopes, but this is as good as it gets unless we bail up to Europe.
  • Did you guys drive up through the Sani pass? We went up there last December and it was so amazingly stunning, wish I could see it in winter.

  • Arador said:
    Did you guys drive up through the Sani pass? We went up there last December and it was so amazingly stunning, wish I could see it in winter.
    No our little car wouldnt be able to climb Sani :D we went in at Fouriesburg and climbed it from the other side.
  •  <3 my '99 Corolla. 
  • OuraniaOurania The Garden of the Gods
    So very pretty. Makes me want to play Boom Boom Rocket.

  • Karai said:
    And so it begins..

    I need.. I need a tailor.

    Mine magically do this too. Holes just appear after several weeks. My knees are part sandpaper.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • I came off a motorbike onto a dirt gravel road and scraped my knee enough it was bleeding, and my jeans barely got scratched.

    What are you people doing to your jeans?
  • How is 5e? My group's been meaning to play it but we haven't quite had the chance to sit down and do so yet.

    That said, I wish I had the money to get the books if for no other reason than the art. I've seen my friend's copy and the art looks gorgeous.
  • That's an insanely good-looking group of friends.
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  • edited October 2014
    Jukilian said:
    I came off a motorbike onto a dirt gravel road and scraped my knee enough it was bleeding, and my jeans barely got scratched.

    What are you people doing to your jeans?
    Funny the other day I was riding my motorcycle and had a lowside crash, i small fracture on my left hand, scrapped up my right arm pretty decently and my shirt was fine but my jeans barely had a scratch in them.


    edit: Also minor damaged to the bike, brake lever, and the brake fluid reservoir  had some nice wear marks but everything else was fine.

    edit2: http://oi62.tinypic.com/2it52ew.jpg <--- day 2
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