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A Brand New Ashtan

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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,925 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Elazar It's only a porno if the pretty women are filled with tentacles.
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  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,038 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Maybe I'm old fashioned but pretty women and tentacles aren't synonymous.


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  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember Posts: 2,927 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Elazar said:
    Congrats, Ashtan :) May your days be filled with tentacles and pretty women.
    Sounds like a porno
    Is it not a porno?
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  • AyamiAyami ✭✭✭ - Distinguished Member Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Atalkez said:
    Maybe I'm old fashioned but pretty women and tentacles aren't synonymous.
    This is not the Ashtani ideology.
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  • VayneVayne Rhode IslandMember Posts: 1,897 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I like how this event almost coordinated with HP's 125th birthday celebrations.
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  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember Posts: 2,927 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Ayami said:
    Atalkez said:
    Maybe I'm old fashioned but pretty women and tentacles aren't synonymous.
    This is not the Ashtani ideology.
    Shun! Shun the nonbeliever!
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  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Atalkez said:
    Maybe I'm old fashioned but pretty women and tentacles aren't synonymous.
    Clearly you have never seen Japanese hentai.
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  • AesiAesi Member Posts: 1,222 @ - Epic Achaean


    A NEW FANTASTIC POINT OF VIEW!
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  • SzanthaxSzanthax San DiegoMember Posts: 1,906 @ - Epic Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    Ahmet said:
    Titonus said:
    Ahmet said:
    I'm honestly disappointed that nothing more interesting than going full-out Chaos happened. 

    Rip Ashtan, long live the Nihilist puppetshow.
    This kind of opens their door to create their own interesting things. Chaos doesn't require an active divine to cause havok.  I think this is pretty cool, too, and I'm not even A-team.
    Suppose so, but Ahmet didn't come to Ashtan to support Chaos, he came because it was a city of freedom where you could pursue your own goals, not those of Chaos. Personal bias aside, it seems like a decent direction for the city, but I'm certainly not the only one unhappy with it. 
    What you describe isn't a direction for a city. It's just a bunch of people doing their own thing without any central purpose, in which case why be part of a factionalized city?
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  • ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,352 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Elazar said:
    Congrats, Ashtan :) May your days be filled with tentacles and pretty women.
    Sounds like a porno
    Do you not know why I'm multi-classing Sylvan?  ;)

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  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Atalkez said:

    The city is moving in a unified direction
    In other words... Ashtan is organized Chaos!
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  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 1,517 @ - Epic Achaean
    Krypton said:
    Atalkez said:

    The city is moving in a unified direction
    In other words... Ashtan is organized Chaos!
    A good change from being Chaotically Organized.
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  • BronislavBronislav ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean MarylandMember Posts: 347 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
  • SarienoSarieno ✭✭✭ - Distinguished Spokane, WAMember Posts: 127 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Bronislav said:

    Sums up my feelings rather nicely.

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  • XinnaXinna ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

    Everyone knew some people would rant just to rant when the changes happened, but Ashtan has been completely about Chaos for quite some time now, either willingly furthering it or being manipulated to do so. It's been ruled by a cult that's trying to bring about the destruction of the world and has many times used Ashtan's resources to support their aims. Sure, there have been dissenters, and sure, they had the "freedom" to dissent as long as they didn't actually take any sort of action. But really, how much "freedom" is that? Sit around doing nothing or support Chaos!

    Who cares if it moved from that to just support Chaos? Good change!

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  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    as long as it doesn't make occultist a full-fledged factional class!
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  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Atalkez said:
    Tharvis said:
    as long as it doesn't make occultist a full-fledged factional class!
    I hope it does.
    dibs on shamans then
    Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
    Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
    Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

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  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,038 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'm okay with this.


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  • AyamiAyami ✭✭✭ - Distinguished Member Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Chaos is a strong aligned faction, and every other strong aligned faction has a fully factional class. I don't see why Occultists should be made 100% factional.
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Well, unless something changed, they don't really have a way to enforce/push rogue occultists out of the class. Can't see Hashan banning them, either.

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  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 1,517 @ - Epic Achaean
    Shirszae said:
    Well, unless something changed, they don't really have a way to enforce/push rogue occultists out of the class. Can't see Hashan banning them, either.
    Pacts.
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  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Factionalize them. Factional classes are interesting, contribute to personal and factional RP, and are just all around cool. 
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  • BluefBluef DelosMember Posts: 2,176 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tharvis said:
    Atalkez said:
    Tharvis said:
    as long as it doesn't make occultist a full-fledged factional class!
    I hope it does.
    dibs on shamans then
    Not happening. Sowwy. :skull: 

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  • NaverreNaverre ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent Member Posts: 304 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Shirszae said:
    Well, unless something changed, they don't really have a way to enforce/push rogue occultists out of the class. Can't see Hashan banning them, either.
    It wouldn't be difficult to make it so that the Chaos Court would be able to prevent a rogue occultist from getting Karma, much like Life Essence and Devotion. It would prevent Pacts and a big chunk of Occultism from working.

    And it absolutely should happen. Same with Devotionists, Necromancers, and forestal classes, if you don't live in that factional city and aren't actively working to further the cause of your respective Divine, you get cut off. (Side note: forestal classes ought to be cut off if they live in cities these days. I know there is at least one Sylvan running around Cyrene, a Senator in fact, and I have no idea why Gaia and Artemis stand for it.)
  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 1,517 @ - Epic Achaean
    Bluef said:
    Tharvis said:
    Atalkez said:
    Tharvis said:
    as long as it doesn't make occultist a full-fledged factional class!
    I hope it does.
    dibs on shamans then
    Not happening. Sowwy. :skull: 

    All good things in time.
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  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2015
    Naverre said:
    Shirszae said:
    Well, unless something changed, they don't really have a way to enforce/push rogue occultists out of the class. Can't see Hashan banning them, either.
    It wouldn't be difficult to make it so that the Chaos Court would be able to prevent a rogue occultist from getting Karma, much like Life Essence and Devotion. It would prevent Pacts and a big chunk of Occultism from working.

    And it absolutely should happen. Same with Devotionists, Necromancers, and forestal classes, if you don't live in that factional city and aren't actively working to further the cause of your respective Divine, you get cut off. (Side note: forestal classes ought to be cut off if they live in cities these days. I know there is at least one Sylvan running around Cyrene, a Senator in fact, and I have no idea why Gaia and Artemis stand for it.)
    Forestals at least are allowed to be rogue without much inconvenience that I've seen. And thats fine, I think.  Not everything need mechanical limits. New forestals can't already join cities. Unless the ones already in them are in some way really acting against Nature I don't see why they should be punished.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

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  • BluefBluef DelosMember Posts: 2,176 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2015
    Trevize said:
    Bluef said:
    Tharvis said:
    Atalkez said:
    Tharvis said:
    as long as it doesn't make occultist a full-fledged factional class!
    I hope it does.
    dibs on shamans then
    Not happening. Sowwy. :skull: 

    All good things in time.
    Perhaps! It is doubtful for the foreseeable future re: Shaman anyway. It's been asked and answered several times (as recently as during the Hashan Ren when certain players were stirring things up with other shaman in the realm, suggesting this very thing was coming our way). 

    As much as it may add value to the realm's RP, there a significant problem with factionalizing classes as a whole though IMO. It's the same problem that exists with permaenemying:

    Players, who have invested a lot of time and RL money in their characters, find themselves anathemitized from a class not because of their actions, per se, but because a clique of players controlling things at the time decide to RP that they should be.

    That doesn't add value to the realm at all. It almost becomes a situation where such decisions must become outside the players' purview - which might actually be pretty cool because at least there would be some moderation on how things shake out (and legitimate roleplay/chances for players to make things right).
    Ula
  • AyamiAyami ✭✭✭ - Distinguished Member Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    As far as I know, you can already get banned from domination, it's just rarely ever done. That's more effective than restricting karma, since an occultist without domination is hampered the same way a priest without devotion is. I'd be up for restricting both, but the Chaos Lords refusing to deal with a 'traitor' is more in-line with the flavor of excommunication and such.
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