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I don't have a veil.Let's be honest, this debate is basically veil owners vs. non-veil owners. The lack of admin responses is deafening and pretty much confirmation that this will not be considered. As much as I agree it's a dumb paywall, it's not going away.
I think this is a dead horse at this point. The consensus seems to be Veils suck, but are useful for the people who bought them. We need to add a city font to kill Veil while sanction is up.
I can see an argument for Marks to bypass if you have a contract. $600 shouldn't make you impervious (without outside influences) to the retribution of a city/org due to a non-veil Mark getting the contract, imo.
I'll agree with having either a font power or a city upgrade to detect veiled within the city. Remember that you can hire on someone for nothing, though. Which would mean, if I were veil-less, and I wanted to find @Rangor , all I would need to do is hire on him, and I find him, whether or not the contract is valid or not. That seems pretty shitty.
I still maintain that point 1 is a counter to (one of, if not the) primary reasons for veils to exist - making it more difficult to find you. You might say that if you do something to get a contract on you, you should be visible to take your punishment, but if that is so, why do contracts decay, giving the target an opportunity to escape? If just having a contract on someone negates their veil, then you might as well not have veils at all. Because of this, I disagree with this point.
How would people feel about the target of an aggressive action by a veiled person being able to pierce the veil and locate the attacker for 5 minutes as if they had a veil?
I think Ivory Marks can see the target before choosing and the reason for the contract. Quisalis Marks can only see the city the target is a part of and the bounty.
Marks still can't choose target. They don't learn the target until after taking a contract.
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... bottom line though, if I were a veil owner who's disillusioned with veils, I'd keep pushing for deletion, and as a non veil owner, I'd also keep pushing for deletion, because the underlying idea of veils is ridiculous in the first place and almost everyone seems to be on the same page there.