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However, I do think it's time for the Veil to see some modification because it leaves no room for counterplay on certain classes. I -don't- think the answer is to give only serpents the ability to be Veil'd. Can you imagine that for a minute? Serpents that can snipe you for days without you being able to find their location? Backstabs for days? And the only way you can beat it is if you happen to have a serpent on your side that has a Veil to counter it?! No thanks.
What I propose is make the veil ability a defense, with the actual artefact only being able to grant the defense, and throwing an eye sigil at them removes the defense and prevents it from being put up again for a slightly extended duration.
When the veil is used to raise the defense, have it as a wind-up ability, sort of like Serpent phasing.
Leave veil penetration by veils intact- but only when the veil defense is up. That way if a veil-user wants to go undetected, they find the other veil user, throw an eye, and go about their merry way for the duration of the eye sigil debuff.
This means that anything that strips defenses could potentially counter a veil, as well as eye sigils, or another veil user.
Didn't buy it because other people had it, or I wanted to find other people that had it. I just wanted to stay hidden as I slunk around the dangerous parts mopping up the mobs people don't bother with.
More seriously, I bought it to find veiled raiders/mindnet during raid defense
People already got free credits when torcs got deleted
Also, if people get veil refunds, they should start an IRL Kyrra retirement fund (not that they will get cash refunds, of course, as bizarrely came up on the last page).
Annoying tactics, they frustrate me. Carry on with life.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
I can't even begin to imagine just how miserably un-fun it would be to grind up 2000 credits, to say nothing of the kind of time investment that would involve, just for an item that does what the veil does. And yet, from where I am sitting, the veil seems like a requirement for the "endgame" if you have any plans to engage in player vs player. And since 99% of the skills and artefacts in the game seem to revolve around just that, I can't imagine why you would grind at all if you had any other intention.
I fully understand that IRE is a business. It is exactly because it is a business that Achaea is free of the administrative corruption and lack of professionalism that plague almost every other text based game on the internet. I also acknowledge that a certain degree of "grind" is a fundamental part of any game like this. But to me, the veil and other items like it represent a massive "pay wall" set between any reasonable grind expectation and the point at which you are able to just start having fun. Something I have yet to be able to do.
tl;dr
Delete the veil.
You don't _need_ a veil to participate at higher levels, as has been mentioned previously in earlier posts, there are enough people in every city with veils to help those without locate people if required.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
To answer your question:
Are veils essential to PvP? - No.
Does it give a decent advantage? - Yes, if you want to jump people or prevent getting ganked from non-veiled people.
What is essential, then? - Learning how to actually fight.
Many people still don't have them (largely because they're so expensive), so you don't need one to locate them. And for people who do have them, if you know a couple of people with a veil, in your city for instance, it's very common for them to set up triggers to automatically use location abilities on certain tells and relay the information: basically you just do "TELL PERSON Locate: TARGET" and they reply with the window/farsight/whatever message.
The more veils proliferate, the more you need these "radar dish" friends, but the more veils proliferate, the more such radar dishes are to be found.
I think it's a silly, overpriced mechanic and, like buckawn/web, it seems outrageously priced for a thing that just outright defeats another thing, but it's definitely not true that a veil is a requirement.
The only time an artefacts really becomes "required" is when you're fighting at the absolute top-tier where you can no longer overcome someone by being smarter than them and you need to match their artefacts to compete with them (and even then, most top-tier fighters would probably duel without their artefacts if asked - you get to be top-tier by enjoying the challenge after all). Depending on your class, you might need an artefact or two that makes you tankier to compete against high-damage strategies before top-tier too.
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Basically though, veil is a capstone artifact, and for big customers, it's probably NOT one of the first things they buy. It might be sometimes, but probably not usually, or even very often. And that is the major financial consideration here, not the occasional person who (good god) actually HUNTS up 2000+ credits.