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  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,048 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You don't live my life gurl


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Erhon said:
    ... I just remember how often I got into fights with @Delphinus on the chronicler clan and it often degenerated to the point where @Madelyne had to step in and vote one way or another. (Usually with me cause Delph was being a dork!)
    Fights/voting over what exactly?
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 5,303 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Trey said:
    Sarapis said:
    You're also not a slave as a Celani. Slaves can't quit or choose what they want to work on. ;)
    Is it 100% impossible to become Celani and keep your mortal? I understand how bad it could burn you doing a trial run, but if the person in question was barred from working on anything relating directly to them and signed an NDA that says if you talk about Fight Club you're permashrubbed, no appeals, it seems like it could work. You'd need someone with Saltaernebrous levels of character separation, but you could do it.
    Their official stance is once you take a step beyond a certain spot (it might be a certain point during Celani-hood, or shortly after, not 100%) that you can't ever go back to your mortal. I don't think that's the unofficial stance, though, because I'm pretty sure there have been multiple exceptions in the last ~5 years.

  • ErhonErhon Member Posts: 116 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Off the top of my head, mainly formatting and style. There was that one time though where he was pushing to have the authority to name things because he discovered them.
    TharvisBluefPrythe
  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sarapis I think *facedesk* is more fitting here
    Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
    Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
    Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

    SarapisAchimrstBluef
  • RiashainRiashain Member Posts: 191 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Neo.
    BluefTeghaine
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Trey said:
    Tecton said:
    Cooper said:
    Trey said:
    Sarapis said:
    You're also not a slave as a Celani. Slaves can't quit or choose what they want to work on. ;)
    Is it 100% impossible to become Celani and keep your mortal? I understand how bad it could burn you doing a trial run, but if the person in question was barred from working on anything relating directly to them and signed an NDA that says if you talk about Fight Club you're permashrubbed, no appeals, it seems like it could work. You'd need someone with Saltaernebrous levels of character separation, but you could do it.
    Their official stance is once you take a step beyond a certain spot (it might be a certain point during Celani-hood, or shortly after, not 100%) that you can't ever go back to your mortal. I don't think that's the unofficial stance, though, because I'm pretty sure there have been multiple exceptions in the last ~5 years.
    Gods can go back to their mortals, should they wish. We just have that rule in there for coders, due to the in-depth knowledge that they glean from full access to the source.
    Is that the part where the coder in question finds out that there's no code past a baseline for certain things, and the rest is mined out to underprivileged Chinese orphans who furiously type out room descriptions and attacks? (Protip people: Lag is when they get tired and start typing slower)
    Someone needs to hit them more, been getting some lag lately.
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,797 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    @Trey Seen Snowpiercer eh?
    No, looked dumb. Is there something like that in there?

  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    To be fair, offering incentives for the players that want to do the work that you probably should be doing yourself anyway would be a good way to go about things.

    The wiki stuff petered out largely because it is fairly fruitless to behold since so few people use it, and it is a LOT of work to collate original content for it.
    JacenBluef
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited January 2015
    Daeir said:
    To be fair, offering incentives for the players that want to do the work that you probably should be doing yourself anyway would be a good way to go about things.

    The wiki stuff petered out largely because it is fairly fruitless to behold since so few people use it, and it is a LOT of work to collate original content for it.
    We should get gold for it.

    I will write everything I have in my Achaea folder for all the gold. Or at least 1m.
  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Erhon said:
    Off the top of my head, mainly formatting and style. There was that one time though where he was pushing to have the authority to name things because he discovered them.
    Sarapis said:
    *facepalm*
    One lovely gem of an example, of our zany Chronicler pedantics:
    http://wiki.achaea.com/Category_talk:Humgii
    (Mhaldor): Herenicus says, "Apologies, I am in-and-out of hold with Verizon wireless customer service."
    BluefEldPraxidesHalos
  • RispokRispok Member Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Snowpiercer was terrible. It was like a train wreck. I couldn't stop watching.
    SarapisShimi
  • SkyeSkye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,056 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Erhon said:
    Off the top of my head, mainly formatting and style. There was that one time though where he was pushing to have the authority to name things because he discovered them.
    Come to think of it, I haven't been a Chronicler for RL years now, but I also remember some Chroniclers getting cheesed off about other Chroniclers deliberately making minor inconsequential edits so that their name appeared as the last known editor. >_> Some kind of Wiki-peen at having the most articles to their name or something.


    Bluef
  • ErhonErhon Member Posts: 116 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Skye said:
    Erhon said:
    Off the top of my head, mainly formatting and style. There was that one time though where he was pushing to have the authority to name things because he discovered them.
    Come to think of it, I haven't been a Chronicler for RL years now, but I also remember some Chroniclers getting cheesed off about other Chroniclers deliberately making minor inconsequential edits so that their name appeared as the last known editor. >_> Some kind of Wiki-peen at having the most articles to their name or something.
    That I never experienced, and since I was the only one who didn't do it under my own character name, kinda funny.
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Krypton said:
    Erhon said:
    Off the top of my head, mainly formatting and style. There was that one time though where he was pushing to have the authority to name things because he discovered them.
    Sarapis said:
    *facepalm*
    One lovely gem of an example, of our zany Chronicler pedantics:
    http://wiki.achaea.com/Category_talk:Humgii
    Good lord. 
    TharvisTaelKryptonHalos
  • ErhonErhon Member Posts: 116 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Depends on whether it is sentient or not.
    TharvisTael
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Erhon said:
    Depends on whether it is sentient or not.
    Why does it depend on sentience. Surely the rules should be changed.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • AlaskarAlaskar Member Posts: 393 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sarapis said:
    Zii said:
    The whole "year of slave labor" thing is off-putting when you make the Celani calls.

    Jus sayin
    Yeah, sucks that when you want to be a pilot you have to actually train at it first. Would be way better to just toss them a manual, give them a week to read it, and then stick them in the pilot's seat. You guys would just love the results of that.
    The military had been doing this for ages. I'm not sure I understand the problem.  :neutral_face: 

  • AalmAalm Member Posts: 206 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited February 2015
    Look at the bright side -- at least we don't have a REAL patronage system, like in USSR-era Russia or the corrupracy of Chicago. We could do some fine RP with that, with the Patron God or Goddess demanding a glass vase to approve a customization, (and it better be a GOOD glass vase,) or you have to hunt up 1,000,000 essence five times to get a room added to your House. Imagine the possibilities, of Achaea turning into a totalitarian shithole! It'll be FUN! :D

    Sad to say, @Tecton and @Sarapis will almost certainly shoot down my idea, and I'll sink into philosophical despair and wander around for days trying to grasp onto my remaining reason for existence... but you'll have Patronage and not PATRONAGE.

    tl;dr : it could be worse. Just ask Uncle Joe or Uncle Adolf.
  • MadelyneMadelyne East Coast, USAMember Posts: 98 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sarapis said:
    From the Article: Despite the criticism, the former IBM employee says he finds the editing “fun” and has no immediate plans to quit. "I really do think I’m doing a public service, but at the same time, I get something out of it myself,” he told the told the website.

    I thought I was pedantic about certain grammar mishaps, but I concede to this guy.

    BluefSarapis
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