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Remove Evade, we already have Leap and Bound. No biggie.
Re-work Shadow to be an enter-room effect so it is an option to not hit totems/runes and still be able to enter the room "stealthily". Can only be used when a target is adjacent, which will kill the entire "sneak around during the raids" ability now, which honestly is fine.
Give us the ability to SHOOT.
Already explained why free Shoot would be a little ridic. Insane hindrance + meteor damage stack would be virtually unstoppable. Hamstring + pommel/sternum already kills pretty much anyone without arties.Throw in an arm/leg break on it and you could pretty much abandon affliction combat in 90% of fights. (Half of BMs already do)
The class was never meant to be a mini serp afaik. Only with the recent hypochondria changes did BM's get the ability to truelock without a legbreak/ice infuse to force a disrupt.
Saying that hamstring is any more effective at room hindrance than occie tentacles is inaccurate. How would a BM hamstring/meteor spam be any different than an occie doing warp+hound+star? At least with hamstring, you can move all you want, albeit at a reduced movement speed.
Edit: So you are saying the main way to kill as the class is considered "cheesedick"? Also, how is shielding a viable counter versus a BM? If you shield on me, I will raze and impale you for a free twist or Impaleslash. Shielding is not a viable counter to BM offense, if they know what they are doing.
Giving the BM the ability to shoot, won't be that big of a difference imo. I have to use balance to shoot or meteor you, is easily noticeable that it is happening, and can be countered very effectively by walking indoors. Saying meteors on a BM is any more OP than meteors on any other class is asinine.
The BM can't chase balanceless if you wait to walk on the hamstring immediately after a balance use (such as meteor). Assuming a 3s balance, you can be 3 rooms away before I even get balance. Assuming a non-mhun, non-armband, you would be able to move another room away before I get to the original room you were in.
Honestly, hamstring is not a death sentence. Just because you don't think it wise to try to walk away doesn't mean it isn't feasible.
The same argument for knights applies to BM. If I do all the work to prep all 6 of your limbs, and you don't get away in that time or kill me before it happens, is it not also fair to assume that the BM should win that fight?
BM being able to quad break in that time is only OP if the BM gets to that point, which is not easy to do.
If you stand around and let a BM quadbreak you, then you deserve to die when there are a myriad of ways to not get quadbroke in the manner you are talking about.
Also, did you know that flying then walking while in the air bypasses hamstring?
BM meteors, you walk east and fly. You have effectively escaped me, without me being able to chase as quick as you are making it out to be.
I can't break your arms, keep hamstring up, meteor you, impaleslash you, and legbreak you in 2 seconds.
Take your math skills and figure it out. Hamstring is not a death sentence, it is only a death sentence if you don't try to leave. Hamstring, fly. I leaphigh/break arms, well that is ineffective since you are still flying. If I fly to follow, you can walk away. If I do prone, you can fly/walk again before I get balance to land/attack.
The entire point was that hamstring is not a death sentence, and is not inescapable as you try to make it out to be.
Again, just because you "can think of 20 other things to do" than run, that is on you. Running is very effective counter measure, and is built into the game on a mechanic level to be a viable counter to kill setups.
Also, sounds a lot like Inquisition doesn't it? I can run away for the duration, or I can use metagamey tactics (mana/health prio swapping) to try to subvert its' effectiveness. I'll choose running every time.
Edit: In all seriousness, I've given you a viable counter to our offense. I've conceded to losing Evade, yet you still complain that <insert another common occurance here> is still unbalanced. Honestly at this point, it really just seems like a "if Ernam can't beat it, lets get it nerfed" tactic. There is a reason you aren't as good as some of the people that we all know of. This is it. Stop complaining about every small thing, and figure out HOW to beat it. Fly can fuck up a BM just like it can an Occie. How many times have you heard occies complaing about RoF? Not everything in the game needs to be perfectly counterable without moving. If you want to stand in room and go ham without moving, then idk what you think Achaea combat is.
Actually I agreed that I don't use manatrans enough.
Good job on reading comprehension though, +10
So if we do anything other than fly/run for the duration of hamstring, we're dead?Seems balanced.
BMs are not the only class to not have ranged attacks by default. Get an artefact bow if it's that much of a problem
They aren't going to get SHOOT from any logical standpoint. It's a horrible idea. I don't think anyone is opposed to giving them a certain viable ranged capability if someone can think of an interesting idea. I don't think they need it at all with their superior melee strength and totem navigation, but as long as it isn't as strong as shoot it should be ok.
I take it the fact that they can evade safely through totems and block beckon isn't being counted as raid utility.
At this point, I believe the conversation is pertaining to after Evade is taken.
Blocking is hardly raid utility. I can easily summon my mount and block and dismount when the melee starts.