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Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Thread is fine as long as it only criticizes people that actually opt-in to have their ideas talked about here.
And in general, I think discussing the classleads are fine. But going through and pulling the bad ones and saying, 'LOL WHAT A DUMMY' isn't something that should be happening. If a classlead is obviously stupid, just ignore it. If you have some time of genuinely productive discussion to engage in about it, then I think that's fine.
Draqoom's leads:
A stance with 2 kicks is pretty much useless unless it allows for nonsense like two axks. A stance with 4 punches is overpowered. Monk should still be tied to stances because drs and scs (slightly) forces a choice and jpk buff wouldn't be nice. It'd be hard to create other kinds of bonuses for the other stances. Monk doesn't really need buffs, it's strong offensively.
Cadarus:
Alchemist offense is strong already.
Jinsun:
The ability to nullify tree for 15 seconds with slime is strong and you can already force tree. No shield for 10-15 seconds is overpowered even with a cool down. Double herb balance is just insanely strong. No to that.
In general:
As well, I've noticed people sometimes discern a problem then just form a creative solution without thinking about how the solution would affect the class. 2 kicks and 4 punches is an interesting concept that was thought up to diversify monk but it just doesn't work out. Sometimes the solution is decent for that one class but would break group combat.
Main thing is I don't want to see time wasted on classleads with ideas that haven't been well thought out and were just impulsively made. I didn't see Ernam's earlier classlead but he said he's been saving it a few rounds and thinking it up and that's good.
Caveat: As long as whatever this new utility is, it doesn't force roleplay or factionalization onto anyone already in the class. I'm imagining someone in Hashan, for example, classleading something that could be cool, except it is about dark spirits or the Night, which 99.9% of the class members at large have no intention of or desire to embrace RP-wise.
I've already heard about some cool ideas floating around that have yet to be submitted. I know @Achimrst has been busy throwing up everything but the kitchen sink in hopes we get some short-term relief as well as the long-term reworking. Tecton said that we got ignored the last classlead round, so I'm hoping lots of people do the same thing and throw up great ideas. Fingers crossed.
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@Draqoom's:
2: Yup. (edit: agreeing with @Vaehl)
3: Pretty much Yup, ^ ^
4: Jesus christ no.
5: see: 4 (3 & 4 have [very] serious & easily abusable consequences)
@Cadarus
39: Interesting, but insanely OP without other abilities/mechanics being modified.
41: (1) lol no (2) Meh. (3) We both know that's just silly.
42, 43: I don't know enough about advanced alch combat to comment on these
44: see below
@Cadarus, regarding your alchemist classleads, did you notice that your suggestions don't at all address your original problem statements? Your general sentiment appears to be that Alchemist combat is far too weak early on, and a bit too strong, once things progress a bit further. While (1) I agree. and (2) I think that's how it is intended to be - I don't think any of your actual suggestions "fix" this. All you offer is relatively massive upgrades to Alch combat, not "adjustments" that would (within balance) empower the class while not leaving it in a state of total imbalance.
I will absolutely admit that I am by no means an expert on alchemist combat (yet) I have certainly studied the core concepts and basic strategies, and I think some of the things you're suggesting would make the class pretty ridiculously unbalanced. As it stands, the class is already quite potent, despite lacking counters to a few class-specific tactics (none of which appear to have classlead submissions yet). If anything, I agree that early-on alchemist combat is a bit lacking, but personally, I think that is more or less intentional. While it leaves a bit of weakiness against slow-prep classes, with proper hindrance, chasing, and tracking, the class appears to be doing what it was meant to do, as is, although it could probably use a little bit more momentum assistance and/or hindrance in the initial stages if it's going to be a significant 1v1 class (it's starting to feel a bit like Shaman at this point, IMO [as in, they're amazing as long as people are dumb enough to stand still for 30 seconds]).
Are you guys going to flame me for suggesting a fashion count reduction to puppet throttle? Currently does asphixiation damage at the cost of 6 fashions, needs as least 30 fashions to use and is already area wide (instead of continent wide). I was thinking we could reduce it to two fashions used and have a minimum of 15 fashions to use. Explain your reasoning for dissent please.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
The Basilican Mace is essentially useless - priests have spiritual maces, and anyone going for blunt weapons for the Shatter ability are going to go for other weapons further up in chivalry. There is seemingly no practical use for this being in existence.
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Solution #1:
Remove Mace from Forging and replace it with a wearable Helmet, that would function in a similar manner to a cavalry shield.
Solution #2:
Remove Mace from Forging and replace it with some other sort of weapon that, while still effectively useless, would make more sense to be forged by people in multiple factions.
Solution #3:
Remove Mace from Forging and give us some sort of interesting flavour ability.
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Skill : Devotion Ability : Deliverance
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Problem:
When Deliverance is stopped by a monolith, it currently drains a huge amount of Devotion.
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Solution #1:
Cut the Devotion cost of a failed Deliverance in half
Solution #2:
Completely remove the Devotion cost of a failed Deliverance, and make a failed deliverance take 1 sec EQ
Solution #3:
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Thoughts?
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Please endorse:
why wasn't that already made? NO MORE OVERLAPPING DISRUPTS PLZ.
The mace change is really really low priority compared to other things. It's mainly flavour and not some game changing combat ability or inmate class issue. Especially just changing the forged weapon to something else useless. The mace is just a forged weapon. It doesn't have a huge tie to priest because they use spiritual or artefact maces.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important