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Would make much more sense for Achaea to just give the formula's instead of someone just cracking it.
Doesn't add any skill in fighting (imo) or experience really to know when your oppoents limbs are going to break, (except maybe basic class experience) It just takes a little counter and a formula for it.
Edit:Also you can generally tell from the bugs that come from things like this happening that typically all they will do is change 1 element in the original formula.
So for instance, If the formula happened to be
(Oppoents max life /.005) +30 x (100 +10) /max health = number of punches or whatever
they could easily just switch the +30 to +10 or the x 100+10 to x100 or something and come up with lower numbers. (which seems to be what they generally do).
To avoid DSB you have the options:
-cure out of bypass attempts meaning you'll never be prepped for one in the first place (all are 100% avoidable with the know-how)
-cure torso (insanely easy to keep track of with scripting such as SLC)
-tumble (take slightly more damage than an unbroken torso dsb)
-tank it because you sip for more than we can deal damage pre/post dsb
-tank with a class ability such as kai heal or tarot
-stop the dsb with a class ability such as mind throw, augment, prone absolve
-dodge half a dsb at the start of a break chain. (breaks at 11, prepped at 10, you DSL LEFT LEG DELPH DELPH, hit/mis leg broken, still standing)
-3 minutes to somehow work around -all- of that.
Yes knight is stupid strong in low-mid tiers where three-six dsls kills everything. That's ridiculous, that should change. But so should the impotence that is knight at higher tiers.
Either make our prep less ridiculous or make our finisher (not even a kill) less avoidable.
Thus ends my rant. Feel free to tear me apart as I know plenty of people think Knight is 'fine' or 'in a good place' and to those people I sadly shake my head and say you probably haven't played it seriously in a while.
NOTE: Please assume we're not talking about Infernal here because Infernal is Infernal and vivisect is vivisexy and I'm jealous of it.
tl;dr
Knight changes soon pls.
- Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
"Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
Rhk + punches still means very fast prep for monks. Artied Dragon level health in scs without knuckles is roughly 11 punches now, up from roughly 8 or 9 depending on health. At the highest levels of opponents it means an extra rhk combo per limb prep, or about 10 seconds for a quad break setup.
If you have an opponent that is just running away/leaving the room constantly, just don't fight them, because there's absolutely nothing monks can do against people walking out of the room (which is the biggest problem with monks).
This means that, in units of UNS JBP, I did between 1200 and 1300 damage while UNS, and while in DRS, I did between 1053 and 1170 damage. Numbers are obviously not reconcilable.
I don't even know how to continue from here.
Armor has no effect. Regen has no effect. Favors have no effect. Your STR has no effect. Their Dex and Avoidance have no effect. All that matters is their max health and your stance.
Health damage absolutely does not correlate to limb damage, for any class I have solved the equations for. They're totally different equations, with totally different inputs and methods of mitigation.
Regarding sharing the equations, or method of solving for them, contact me via message or PM.
(FixedHitpoints/PunchDamage) + (MaxHitpoints/PunchDamage)
You must deal at least this much damage to break a limb. Often you'll test on two opponents with much different max health who require the same number of hits to break, and this problem is exacerbated if you're testing DRS punches, which do more damage (as an example, I tested DRS on one opponent with 3244 hitpoints and another with 4179 hitpoints, both took 8 DRS punches to break - that's a lot of gray area).
It's considerably longer for knights, and totally different for BMs. The reason I set about solving the game's limb damage equations in the first place was for Blademaster, because of how difficult it is to determine breakpoints using the method you described. With things like legslash, armslash, and centreslash, you can't break a limb without giving the other limb an unknown amount of limb damage. Thus, if you don't have the equation, you're either playing a guessing game, or best-case, using those cheese-dick "magic number" methods and "prep path" methods that are frequently wrong, and break down after the first limb break. For knights, breaking a limb simply takes too damn long to do what you're describing, and can often be incorrect if your rapiers don't have exactly the same damage stat (which is almost always the case for those who match speed stats on rapiers).
In short, what you're describing is totally fine for monks (as is, most of the time, limbprobe), but doesn't work at all for knights and BMs (four of the five classes that heavily rely on limb breaks for their primary kill strategies).
I'm a huge proponent of simplifying limb damage equations, or simply releasing them, so it doesn't take a mad scientist to reliably break limbs when expected.
... why?
Eh. Personally, I dislike playing a character in Targossas. It's boring to me. I alt priest anyway (as I think everyone knows by now), but not often. Would play it full time if I could in Mhaldor. The very fact that I'm willing to alt just to play it (when I don't generally alt as anything) is evidence of how awesome a class it is.
Give me like a Torc and maybe an artie mace and my offense would probably be unstoppable.
It's not that priest's -offense- is -better- than every other class. There are other classes with powerful offense. It's just that it can kill people fast, it isn't really stopped by any particular curing tactics (like, say, heartseed is), so it's effective in every tier, and it's combined with superb defense (easily the best hinder in the game + empathy + care + revitalization + bliss), all of which can be used without really losing any offense (see also: active bedevil), AND with piety, so people can't really run away. Priest also has leg breaks to stop evade, devotion force to easily stop tumble (while continuing to afflict), prone and/or angel strip (which is really fast) to counter shield, as well as abilities that go through shield . . . need I go on?
Edit: The fact that I had to teach the people who have been priest for years how to play it is a better indication of why there aren't many priests around. It is a misunderstood class.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
Bards have a lot of ways of fucking up my prep. My prep, by the way, consists of bypass combos. But Bards have a ton of evasion, especially if they have trans Avoidance. If I miss a Roundhouse kick, that opens up the punches to being either evaded or parried, with a high likelihood that at least one will be mitigated.
If I'm not counting, just being like "eh it'll work itself out" then there's an extreme likelihood, after eleven or twelve combos, that one limb is at least one point off from being fully prepped. And that means it's very, very likely that I'll break one limb and not the other, which renders the whole point of prepping limbs in the first place completely moot. However, if I know how far off I am from breaking any one limb, I can correct things and bring all limbs back to fully prepped without accidentally breaking one before the rest.
I figured Jovolo was trolling, so I'm not really responding to him.
E: And you do need an accurate formula - not THE formula, necessarily, but one close enough that you're not going to break limbs when you intend to merely prep them - in order to bypass Augment on a BM.
E2: And re-reading your post, I'm pretty much just annoyed that you assume the "majority" of people being easy to prep means I don't have to utilize all the resources at my disposal. Fighting without a counter is okay against most people, but fighting with a counter is okay against all people.
1) My opponent can arbitrarily apply salve early to throw off my count, and
2) It means additional "pregame" prep just to figure out how many blows it'll take to break a limb.
I can bypass both by having a reliable formula.
Point number 2? Yes, and these these things are a part of combat (just like mind-games in point 1). Like I said, you don't need a limb formula to fight as you can do it with just a counter and gathering your break points at the start of the fight and extrapolating +/- punches for different health ranges. It's up to you if you want to do the calculations to find an accurate formula, but don't pretend like it's some vital aspect of playing your class, because it isn't.