What Happened To You Today?

Jukilian

Probably need better leaders then, maybe

Bluef

Jacen said:

Idk, it just feels crappy to me. There's no room for the casual PvPer. Like, you can do this one thing to get some conflict, but you're gonna die multiple times for it. Makes it super hard for the lower-ability groups to climb into bigger conflict, because you'll just get griefed out of it.

The way writs currently work, a person can hold a writ for up to 75 days (like 72 RL hours). They can attack you as many times as they want to while they do so. Once they yield the writ to the order, your pain starts all over again. Now the order has likely hired on you, re-initiating the time period that someone (now a Mark) has to attempt to kill you. 

It's already been stated that defiling is not for the faint of heart (or the casual PVPer). if you're defiling, you will get conflict in return -- because you're the antagonist. Let's be honest though - dying multiple times is exactly what should happen for defiling a shrine. It's a huge disrespect to a God. You're not getting griefed - you're getting hit with retribution for your actions. 

As someone who has climbed into this bigger conflict more than once before, and done so all on her own (without the possibilty of an entire city or House coming to her defense), I'll disagree that it makes it hard for lower-ability groups or persons to enter the fray; as long as you're prepared for the possible consequences, it's a great way to gain some PVP experience. 

That said - I think what really needs fixing in the WRIT system is that the defiler has no idea who holds the writ, how much time is left on the writ, when the writ is yielded to the org, etc. It is really easy to miss the witnessing message in defiling/fighting spam too, so it would be nice if the changes that were promised (2 years ago) were implemented and shrines and such were reworked... But, to be fair, I think the Garden already has a lot on their plate right now!

Jacen said:

Its not that simple though. That's assuming you live in a perfect world where no one breaks the rules or griefs. What should the consequences of defiling be? 2 deaths per attempt? 5? Open PK to the Order for an hour? A day?

How can you ever expect to bring a new faction into the mix when its an uphill battle the whole way?

The consequences for defiling are noted above. It has nothing to do with the number of deaths. It is all about the time allotted for retribution/vindication. To pose a possible answer to your latter question: If a new faction isn't prepared to respond to the consequences of defiling, they may want to consider whether they're ready to be a faction at all. I'm not saying this because this is Hashan we're talking about either; I do feel like maybe this a great signpost for some of what needs to be addressed there though. That said, I doubt anyone in city leadership would disagree that Hashan is still a work in progress.

Aegoth

Just allow the defiler to attack anyone who witnesses. Witnessing ought to be seen as declaring yourself open PK to the defiler. That this is not the case makes for shoddy and griefy mechanics

Bukariin

Aegoth said:

Just allow the defiler to attack anyone who witnesses. Witnessing ought to be seen as declaring yourself open PK to the defiler. That this is not the case makes for shoddy and griefy mechanics

Are you joining the bandwagon of people who use "grief" incorrectly?

Please, understand what griefing actually is before you call something "griefy" because unless you're being permalocked, braziered into a basement and locked there for a few hours without any way of anybody getting to you, you haven't been griefed.

Also even THAT wasn't strictly griefing since the guy was willing to let me RP my way out.

Nellaundra

I've never been griefed in Achaea, but my definition is much, much higher than most everyone else's, I'm guessing.

Bluef

Aegoth said:

Just allow the defiler to attack anyone who witnesses. Witnessing ought to be seen as declaring yourself open PK to the defiler. That this is not the case makes for shoddy and griefy mechanics

The problem I see with this is that it would mean that orders with most non-com members could never witness their shrines' defilement without loss of life/xp for doing so. That doesn't seem quite right as the writ system was established to allow orders to hire champions, etc. 

The way I view it is this: If someone witnesses me, that's an indication I should try again later. If they attack me later, because of the writ, I have every right to defend myself (just as they have every right to witness and defend the shrine if they choose to do so). 

Where writ/shrine PvP could get off track is when huge squads of attackers, some who are not even directly affiliated with the order, join in the "defense" and carrying out of the writ. This is why it seems important to know who holds a writ against you - otherwise every person in a 20-person party responding could claim, "I witnessed you." 

Likewise, when you're not sure who is legit holding a writ, it makes any kind of retaliation, especially hiring on those who seem like they are just jumping into the fight to "assist" their pal with the writ, difficult to sort out. 

Florentino

Sobriquet said:

Logged in for the first time in 2 weeks. Was reminded just how futile it is trying to take part in any type of group combat without wings and earrings. Logged out.

Come be my earringless, wingless buddy!

Rakon

So uhh. I logged in today.

Then I logged out. 

Was a productive day. 

Herenicus

Made significant progress on a quatrain. Satisfaction.

Bukariin

I found 3600 gold in my bait bucket.

I think I stashed it there something like three years ago.

Not bad.

Greys

Greys ran his annual ritual. Failed his captain's exam for the second time. Then ran a quiz and found how much most Targossians knew about the history of their city and Bloodsworn.

Achimrst

I learned about the injustices of Forest defenses.

Kinilan

Greys said:

Greys ran his annual ritual. Failed his captain's exam for the second time. Then ran a quiz and found how much most Targossians knew about the history of their city and Bloodsworn.

Could have been worse. I could have found you after you passed Shastaan...

Madelyne

Hasar said:

Tillie said:

Helped @Bluef and @Nylith write scrolls and flesh out advertising ideas for Taverns of Achaea clan. Went to a nice workshop held by @Madelyne on sculpting - which was humorously punctuated by a random assault by @Hasar.

Fulfilling day, indeed.

I was just doing some creative sculpting....idk why you guys hate it so much 

You're not supposed to use the students as multimedia devices.  

Jukilian

So, I'm AFK because a friend of mine came over, and this happened:

@Praxides raises her hand in greeting to Jonzz and says "Hi!"
Jonzz sits on a dark black marble bench with a covering of leather.
Jonzz greets Praxides with a sincere smile.
Jonzz inclines his head politely at you.
Jonzz says in a deep, rumbling baritone voice, "Yo."
The corners of Jonzz's mouth turn up as he grins mischievously.
Jonzz says in a deep, rumbling baritone voice, "How goes the day?"
Jonzz stretches languidly.
Praxides grabs your arm, and brings it up in greeting to Jonzz, poorly imitating a rough, croaky "Hello!" directed at Jonzz.
Praxides whispers to Jonzz with a detached, Hashani accent, "He's asleep."

I had a good laugh when I scrolled up and found that.

Isaiah

Died to @Jhui. Twice. Im such a noob... 

Orzaansyn

I killed two Novices.

I updated some scrolls.

I wrote logs.

I pushed my glasses.

A normal day.

Rasputtin

1. Extract primes...

2.  Hunt

3. extract primes

4. restocked shop

5. extract primes..

7. read some scrolls

8. extract primes

yep normal day

Harmonia

Had a lovely conversations with @Khalaz, @Orzaansyn and @Herenicus.

Raised a couple of shrines.

Died a few times, but I did get to see @Rangor <insert fangirl scream> (He's my seeekret crush).

Aegoth

Griefed Bukariin by being griefy on a griefing topic of grief for the sole purpose of griefing the context ofthe word grief just to see the grief in the man's eyes.

Jhaeli

Submitted a customisation request that I sincerely hope goes through and stepped down from the leadership of the Order of Thurisaz. Pretty excited to start the next chapter of Jhaeli's life.

Drenall

Learned how to climb trees for the first time ever. Had a blast being able to move between rooms up in the limbs

Discovered that fire destroys trees, and fall to ground, breaking both legs and can't move.

Realized I had no salves or balms, and no way to heal. 

Can't attack beasts so they could kill me.

Tried to use my last portal, but since I can't move, it kindly put me in front of the cave, where people keep walking past me. Being a newbie, I still had newbie tell and finally get someone to heal me. 

Being a rogue is much harder than I expected. 

Bukariin

18:04:42 Mazzington tells you, "Scared to the sewers, Droch?"

18:05:38 You tell Sylvan Fox Mazzington, Abha Ardu, "Pray tell, is Eleusis reduced to

18:05:38 mocking Mhaldorians who have been out of the realm for over a century?"

18:05:58 You tell Sylvan Fox Mazzington, Abha Ardu, "I certainly hope that is not the

18:05:58 case."

18:06:30 Mazzington tells you, "And here I was thinking Mhaldorians were required to be

18:06:30 in the army..."

18:07:17 You tell Sylvan Fox Mazzington, Abha Ardu, "Given that, as of two months ago I

18:07:17 had zero equipment or means of healing, my contribution to any war effort would

18:07:17 be at best comical."

18:07:46 Mazzington tells you, "Maybe you should be a jester!"

It's like Rean all over again

Mazzington

Oh, I'm only playfully ribbing you.  

Bukariin

I'm just unhappy because I had a really good comeback for the Jester line and you QQ'd before I could send it

Trilliana

Gave a letter to Amarisse because... commissions yo. Fished, Went to a Senate meeting... no idea what else.

Ruth

Scratched my brains out trying to write up some Mhaldor-related stuff.

Coddled Oren a little by dumping a bucket full of smelly bait on her head.

Jurixe

Ruth said:

Scratched my brains out trying to write up some Mhaldor-related stuff.

Coddled Oren a little by dumping a bucket full of smelly bait on her head.

Cod-dled...get it  

...

I'm very tired.

Valkyre

So here I am, trying out my first real Achaean alt in the 12 years I've played, when this happens:

(Cyrene): @Stark‌says, "This...this is shocking news. I have bloodletted for far too long. Blood strewn on my rapier, spraying all over my face. Intestines and guts spilling out to my vibrant sword as Death takes the victim's hands, comforting them. I have seen too much...I have seen...too...much."

...and later...

(Cyrene): Stark says, "I have slain enough denizens to complete my city tasks. I am now able to join a House. But, be forewarned, as I am now a Veteran of Annihilation. I am now a rough and gruff person who has only seen violence, and that violence has always been beneath my blade. I am Death's puppet...or, perhaps, I am his puppeteer."

(Cyrene): @Zhyrios‌says, "Personally Stark I feel like we are up to the task, the question is do you think you can handle us? We to are servants of Annihilation."

(Cyrene): Stark says, "Oh I can handle you. I've cut through skin and muscle as if it were butter. I made my sword sing for more death, to keep it piling. To keep going I just wanted it to never end, I just wanted to keep on killing. No remorse, no mercy, none. I killed mothers in front of their children and children in front of their mothers and children in the arms of their mothers. I am the beast you call Annihilation."

Welp. That was hilarious. Apparently I've been missing out by not joining all these other orgs and cities all this time.

Also, it totally reminded me of this. (5:51-6:24, if the time link doesn't work. Also, mild cartoon violence.)

Eiredhel

Got contested. So this'll be fun. Haven't gotten roleplay Eiredhel being livid in months.