House Renaissance

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  • Alston said:

     Aren't there 20 house ranks?


    There is only 15 ranks, Guilds had 20 though

  • Falhrad said:
    Speculative Hashan houses: Mysteries (researchers); Secrets (cults, sects, ritualists, economists); Nightmares (combat).

    This interestingly overlaps pretty closely with the half-joke, half-serious mockup I made for Hashan's Houses a little while ago: Academy of Astral Dynamics (researchers), House of Webs (schemers, spies, politicians, and information-brokers), and Nightblades (combat). full link

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  • I like the concept for each House there (both of you).

    Just have to wait and see if it is done well or not..

  • VayneVayne Rhode Island
    Falhrad said:
    Speculative Hashan houses: Mysteries (researchers); Secrets (cults, sects, ritualists, economists); Nightmares (combat).

    This interestingly overlaps pretty closely with the half-joke, half-serious mockup I made for Hashan's Houses a little while ago: Academy of Astral Dynamics (researchers)

    See : Crown Institute of Alchemy >.>

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  • Just a quick question, which applies to the new house system. As I understand it, I need to graduate from the city clan, before I can do anything in my house, then there will be things to do before I can reach level 2 of the house. The help files say that I can embrace (after level 30 AND house Rank2) OR (gain level 50). To my mind, this means I should be level 50 or so, by the time I reach HR2. But I have to spend some time in the city clan first, so some of the time I would spend gaining HR is pushed into the city clan. I've been delaying things a bit, but not really much, and I'm level 50 already, and able to embrace my class, but haven't graduated from the city clan. I'm wondering if the HR level should be dropped for embracing, once all of the cities have adjusted. Otherwise, there is little incentive to join a House to get the perks of Embracing early.



  • Tisel said:

    Just a quick question, which applies to the new house system. As I understand it, I need to graduate from the city clan, before I can do anything in my house, then there will be things to do before I can reach level 2 of the house. The help files say that I can embrace (after level 30 AND house Rank2) OR (gain level 50). To my mind, this means I should be level 50 or so, by the time I reach HR2. But I have to spend some time in the city clan first, so some of the time I would spend gaining HR is pushed into the city clan. I've been delaying things a bit, but not really much, and I'm level 50 already, and able to embrace my class, but haven't graduated from the city clan. I'm wondering if the HR level should be dropped for embracing, once all of the cities have adjusted. Otherwise, there is little incentive to join a House to get the perks of Embracing early.



    I don't think I'd consider "embracing early" to be much of a perk at all anyway, seeing as level 50 is attainable with only a few hours of power-bashing (at the correct hours). Level 30-50 I would say maybe two to three hours? And I'm not very experienced, so I'm sure it can be done a lot faster.

    Unless I completely missed the point of your post.




  • Tisel said:

    Just a quick question, which applies to the new house system. As I understand it, I need to graduate from the city clan, before I can do anything in my house, then there will be things to do before I can reach level 2 of the house. The help files say that I can embrace (after level 30 AND house Rank2) OR (gain level 50). To my mind, this means I should be level 50 or so, by the time I reach HR2. But I have to spend some time in the city clan first, so some of the time I would spend gaining HR is pushed into the city clan. I've been delaying things a bit, but not really much, and I'm level 50 already, and able to embrace my class, but haven't graduated from the city clan. I'm wondering if the HR level should be dropped for embracing, once all of the cities have adjusted. Otherwise, there is little incentive to join a House to get the perks of Embracing early.



    Your House system seems a bit different than Cyrene's, so you might have to ask your city about it.

    meh


  • My point was how much easier it is to get to level 50 compared to reaching HR2, and whether it should be that way. Are Houses expecting members to come in at level 50 or higher for HR1? This is my first character reaching 50, and I was amazed when I read the help file on embracing about the level 30/HR2 possibilities, but I am guessing that was meant for the old system.

  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    It always seemed to me a bit stupid for Houses to to try and impose requirements before allowing people to embrace. Instead, if anything, they should try to guide newbies into what embracing truly means and why it is wise to wait a little. 

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • As a genuine newbie over in Imperian, I experienced exactly this.  As someone familiar with IRE, I know I want to take my time, but the (well-meaning) pressure to level up and advance quickly was incredible.  

  • edited July 2014
    Tisel said:

    My point was how much easier it is to get to level 50 compared to reaching HR2, and whether it should be that way. Are Houses expecting members to come in at level 50 or higher for HR1? This is my first character reaching 50, and I was amazed when I read the help file on embracing about the level 30/HR2 possibilities, but I am guessing that was meant for the old system.

    House Rank 2 depends on your house. In mine it would take someone quite a bit longer than level 50, because of a few of the requirements.

    Maybe some other houses HR2 is obtainable right away.

    The reason for the early-embrace (I'm guessing) is so that you don't embrace the wrong class too early (or maybe to prevent too many people playing rogue). You really start to know your class when you're in a house, some more than others of course.

    But yeah level 50 is probably way faster than second rank. Some people skip a few ranks when joining if they are already extremely experienced at Achaea, but that's it normally.



  • edited July 2014
    Tisel said:

    My point was how much easier it is to get to level 50 compared to reaching HR2, and whether it should be that way. Are Houses expecting members to come in at level 50 or higher for HR1? This is my first character reaching 50, and I was amazed when I read the help file on embracing about the level 30/HR2 possibilities, but I am guessing that was meant for the old system.

    In the Outriders there aren't (to my knowledge) any level requirements/expectations other than the newbie level 21 task requirement. It seems most new characters are joining the House before or around level 30. But getting to HR2 also isn't terribly difficult, just a couple small tasks and an interview. It definitely depends on the House though. I'm grateful for the delay to embracing class because I switched classes like 3 times in two days before settling on a class I liked.

  • CarmellCarmell Eastern Washington

    Well for Harbingers once you've graduated from the academy you are moved to HR3 and then you start on house requirements.  It really doesn't take that much to complete the academy requirements and can be done by level 30 if you just put the time into it.

  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo

    Thats actually a very nice idea. 

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • I don't see the connection with the Houses though.
  • just wanting to ask a question I know Mhaldor was suppose to be up next but that was at the beginning of the month and was wondering what was happening? Sorry if this is a total newb question

  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    Vernaius said:

    just wanting to ask a question I know Mhaldor was suppose to be up next but that was at the beginning of the month and was wondering what was happening? Sorry if this is a total newb question

    Yep, Mhaldor's underway! We're working with the city/house leadership on the plans currently!

  • TohranTohran Everywhere you don't want to be. I'm the anti-Visa!
    Are we even going to change anything in Eleusis, beyond class limitations? The way we're set up works fairly well as is. Still deciding what to do with Tohran, personal politics are a bitch.


  • what about those of us Knights who made it a point to trans smithing? will we be getting the new Smithing skill for free at it's current rank? or will we be getting our new skill transcended without expending a single lesson on it? or will we get a 100% refund on the lessons expended into smithing?

  • Several pages ago, there was a discussion on entrance exams and level exams for city novices under the new housing system. I never did see a final decision on the matters, and I have a few concerns.

    1. Are you supposed to complete the novice program before you select a House?

    If you wait until completion of the City Novice program, the Houses can focus on their own projects for the more advanced citizens, knowing that new entrants will be trained to a certain level. With a single Novice program, you are enforcing the idea of City First, and House second. If you allow House selection before graduation, new members will expect some interaction with the House and that defeats the whole purpose of the City Novice program.


    2. What was the final consensus on essays?

    Some knowledge can be demonstrated. Can you find this landmark? Do you have X number of certain cures?  Have you completed your TASKS?    Unfortunately, there are a lot of people needing tests, and few people available to give the tests, so essays are used as a way to demonstrate some knowledge and make the process go faster, which is understandable and a necessary compromise. But in some cases, there are issues with the way assignments are made. Overly broad subjects lead to long essays that force the new citizens to cover everything. Especially for a Novice program, you shouldn't be expecting extensive knowledge. If you can't take the time to do a question and answer interview, perhaps the requirement is too difficult. Even if a City exam requires knowledge of certain things, that knowledge should be easily available. Otherwise,  you are testing the ability to find information, not on the information itself. Finding something obscure may be a viable task, but it shouldn't be used for major portions of the test.


    3. What can a new citizens expect from a House?

    Much information is available about the older House system, where certain Houses had access to specialized rooms, items and tutors. Some older Houses make it easy for new citizens to get involved, and some are extremely difficult. Since all Houses must accept all classes now, do all House have to provide all class-support (milking rooms, smithy, labs, tutors)? Will the City provide all class-support instead? What benefits do the new Houses provide and what level are they available?

  • TohranTohran Everywhere you don't want to be. I'm the anti-Visa!
    Ainia said:
    Tohran said:
    Are we even going to change anything in Eleusis, beyond class limitations? The way we're set up works fairly well as is. Still deciding what to do with Tohran, personal politics are a bitch.

    Tohran, this was actually discussed IC already and is in a couple of newsposts, you can also come to me, the other 2 HLs, or Speaker for more info :)

    Yeah, there's the rub. Tohran never sees Logistics, Ravien or Oceana. As such, he wouldn't approach Logistics, Ravien, or Oceana. You're my only hope. This is one of the reasons I was making inquiries as to having the rest of the citizens be involved with the planning process. Personal politics are a bitch. As for it being discussed IC, I have no memory of any discussions or news posts. I have a crap memory though, and I really hate searching the news for something.

    I was thinking of putting him with the Scholar side of things, as he's not really a combatant to speak of, and is the closest thing Eleusis has to a Chaos expert though he's mostly just a researcher. 


    Xeran said:

    what about those of us Knights who made it a point to trans smithing? will we be getting the new Smithing skill for free at it's current rank? or will we be getting our new skill transcended without expending a single lesson on it? or will we get a 100% refund on the lessons expended into smithing?

    I've been curious about this myself. If I get to keep Smithing, I'm totally going Jester with Smithing. Means I'd get to keep my Hammer and continue to be awesome


  • This is about the Renaissance and I'm guessing Xeran is talking about tradeskill rework?

    Not the right spot to ask if that's the case.

    Though I believe they will most likely refund 100%. They probably wouldn't make your new skill transcendent as you may want to change class or put the lessons elsewhere. That's what makes most sense to me.
  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!

    Jukilian said:

    This is about the Renaissance and I'm guessing Xeran is talking about tradeskill rework?

    Not the right spot to ask if that's the case.

    Though I believe they will most likely refund 100%. They probably wouldn't make your new skill transcendent as you may want to change class or put the lessons elsewhere. That's what makes most sense to me.

    When I asked Tecton that, his reply was that the new skill would be given the same lessons your previous skill had, but they were still hammering out the details.

    Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
    Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
    Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

  • edited July 2014

    Mhaldor's renaissance could go something like this:


    Having Sartan only recently been reborn through the divine union of the twin lords, clerics of the city will begin a social topic amongst themselves of which aspect of evil, Suffering or Oppression, that was once represented each by a Lord, has more of an impact upon the world itself and its importance to the Lord. The debate getting out of hand and drawing more loyalists and zealots to each side, the cleric leaders stubbornly refuse to back down and insist upon a show of force of their realm to show its strength and also bring praise to Lord Sartan through their acts.


    A civil war will break out, with zealots of the once separate realms now fighting in the streets, making public spectacles and sermons of suffering and oppression, openly assaulting Oppression/Suffering sanctuaries to show them the 'true strength in evil' and much more. Taking notice of the strife in His city, Sartan will turn his gaze upon the bloodshed and though at first amused and pleased at the spectacle of devotion, He will see how such a divide will weaken His city. Putting His hand down (quite literally) the Lord Sartan will demand the cease of these acts and state how each realm is an element of His greater realm, that of Evil, and only that realm from henceforth shall be supported, thus calling an end to days of Oppression and Suffering specifically.


    With the dust now settled, the city of Mhaldor would be in some shambles, with debree, rubble and rotting sacrificed corpses laying about. Seeing a perfect time for change and to fully acknowledge the Lord's latest ruling, the citizens seek to rebuild the aspect of Mhaldor to a greater height and move on from days of twin devotion now gone. The houses will change focus and combine their strengths, each one now seeking to bring His realm of greater evil to the world.


    Heil Sartan!

  • Asmodron said:


    Heil Sartan!

    heh... Amusing.


    2015/01/12 Tecton, the Terraformer has bestowed His divine favour upon you. It will last for approximately 1 Achaean month.
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