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  • CarmellCarmell Eastern Washington
    Jules said:

    So is the plan for other cities to have city staff take care of novice tasks (vice houses)  as well or was that a Cyrene only thing?

    Targossas novices go through city novice academy before they are moved onto house requirements.  Basics in the academy house ideal specific in houses.

  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    Madelyne said:

    While I don't agree with HF races, and I'm glad to have Madelyne be a member of a house that isn't resorting to "a promotion program" that indulges in that practice, to each his/her own.

    You are daft to think there is any House in Achaea that doesn't have some kind of program in place that rewards achieving certain tasks with an HF.

  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
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  • edited July 2014

    Madelyne said:
    Aerek said:

    There are certain House powers that come at predetermined ranks and can't be moved around. I can't remember which ones they are or what ranks they come available, but if a House feels a given power is needed, and it only comes at rank 9, then you get the favor races. I haven't seen this in the Shield, though.

    This is why houses have structure and invest-able powers. It's totally possible to give people those powers without HF races, which IMHO are an abuse of power and an insult to anyone who works their ass off to earn favour through legitimate reasons.

    While I don't agree with HF races, and I'm glad to have Madelyne be a member of a house that isn't resorting to "a promotion program" that indulges in that practice, to each his/her own. If people like that sort of thing, they can join that house and deal with the HF-drama. And if not, they can join one of the other two houses.

    Not my circus. Not my monkeys.

    Love the implication that three people getting moved up ONE RANK (for justifiable reasons, but who cares? It's one rank) is automatically the result of indulgent, lazy asses engaged in a dramatic HF war. :|

    But yes, it isn't your problem. At least we can agree on that!

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  • MadelyneMadelyne East Coast, USA
    Krypton said:
    Madelyne said:

    While I don't agree with HF races, and I'm glad to have Madelyne be a member of a house that isn't resorting to "a promotion program" that indulges in that practice, to each his/her own.

    You are daft to think there is any House in Achaea that doesn't have some kind of program in place that rewards achieving certain tasks with an HF.

    Sorry, perhaps I should've said "a HF race program to help people jump ranks for the sake of having them jumped". The Virtuosi has a list of things you can do that may get you HF'ed. But it's not a popularity contest.

  • So does this mean that Dwarves can finally invent rifles maybe a combination of a knightly class and elemental or alchemist class to wield it?

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  • EilonaEilona United Kingdom

    Probably not, Cardan has said here that "changes that involve adding gunpowder aren't going to be approved".

  • edited July 2014

    Edit: misread quote.

  • Krypton said:
    Madelyne said:

    While I don't agree with HF races, and I'm glad to have Madelyne be a member of a house that isn't resorting to "a promotion program" that indulges in that practice, to each his/her own.

    You are daft to think there is any House in Achaea that doesn't have some kind of program in place that rewards achieving certain tasks with an HF.

    What @Mishgul said.

    I've had alts in every house in mhaldor and spent time in 3 on my main.

    passing out housefavors for pre-determined accomplishments/tasks is not a part of what I've experienced.

  • edited July 2014

    Synbios said:
    Eilona said:

    Probably not, Cardan has said here that "changes that involve adding gunpowder aren't going to be approved".

    No gunpowder then! I propose rifles that house the essence of a fire elemental instead of bullets. Firing the rifle will essentially run a 'magic code' that simulates spellcasting - in this case a fireball instead of a bullet.

    Fire not your thing? I hope Deucalion smites you with a rolling barrage of fireburst artillery, you benighted heathen! Ok, let's deploy a freeze mine - a 'frozen'(I accept all accusations of redundancy) deepfreeze spell-code held in a supercharged stasis field that triggers when the precognitor code identifies one or more approaching persons as a personal enemy.

    Water and ice not your thing? Bah, I hope Neraeos takes you deepsea diving...minus a diving bell but with 100x more duskfins. A fissure bomb probably might be more up your alley. A mote from the earth elemental plane is coded to cause a localized rapid-terraforming protocol, causing earthquakes and chasms to materialize, giving your enemies a bad day.

    What? Earth too uninteresting? I hope Phaestus buries you alive under a five gigaton landslide. Fine, why not integrate a windsprite generator into your weaponry? The creation of a micronized aeropressure field around the weapon would enhance the sharpness of blades, lend additional impact to hammers, and impart supersonic velocity to fired arrows.

    You don't like air either? I hope Vastar doesn't forum ban you! Just kidding, freedombro! Or at least depressurizes your location, causing you to explode. You unsatisfiable mortal, you.

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  • Maybe I missed this, is it mentioned what Cities / Houses will be next?

  • @Eiredhel "Darkness hollow" sounds like a rip off from kingdom hearts.... 

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  • In a way, quite a few Houses and Guilds were tacked on to cities and didn't have any specific reason for being there other than 'just because' or 'we're giving this city its own Magi/Monk/Serpent guild' which is kinda where the whole damn problem came from in the first place - especially because the guild system was completely not futureproof against multiple, new classes being added.  Oftentimes cities were nothing more than 'that place your Guild/Househall is at.'  And certainly, a lot of Houses failed to make a true transition from being a Guild centered around a single class to a House that needed to be able to fully welcome multiple classes - classes got (shoddily) tacked on to the pre-existing (single class) guild structure way too often.  Mindsets focused around a single class work better as a clan/sub-organization rather than one of the core pillars of a city - much like Knighthood in Cyrene is gonna be handled (with official support from the city, at that).



    Anywho, now the three replacement Houses in Cyrene are closely based on the city, each standing for a strong facet of modern Cyrene's values.  Their identity is now far more intertwined with each other and Cyrene at a core level than any of the previous guilds or houses were.  Although I mourn the (final) death of the Guild/House I was in, if I take a step back then the three new Houses we have now are a much better fit for Cyrene and I'd say this change is a good thing from a longterm perspective.  Though to be honest, Ty Beirdd probably only got destroyed so that members of the other three wouldn't harbor any ill will towards it - near as I can tell it basically got recreated as Virtuosi from a broad, 'just logged in after years away' perspective.  Removal of the other three was justified (especially because we went from 4 Houses down to 3) because, in one way or another, the fresh start was needed.  What the players will do with that fresh start is what we all get to find out together.


    As for Devotion users... let's start a petition to change Targossas's name to Gangossas.  That way the nickname for Cyrene will be Gangrene, haha.

    If Targ can (somehow, after all these years) make some headway in pushing for Devotion users to be proponents of militant Good values (and/or actively trying to convert people) rather than 'passive missionary' types that are actually just people that want the class abilities without the extremist RP, maybe the Shield house can start some anti-Devotion citizen pressure in the name of traditional values (aka, Cyrene was founded as a refuge from all the wars caused by conflicts between Good/Evil/Chaos).  Essentially they'd want to ensure that Cyrene doesn't stray so far from its original purpose that another 'refugee' city needs to be formed in the future.  I can definitely see preserving the older, more traditional values as a role of the Shield instead of being a simple combat House (aka, not much different from the city army).  It could serve as a good counter balance for newer ideology that the Outriders encompass as they work together so that each side helps strengthen the city as a whole.  Virtuosi essentially stands as evidence that Cyrene isn't just refugees and that its citizens actually built a life/culture after escaping the battles and conflicts that much of the rest of Sapience is covered in.

    I think I might've accidentally forum RP'd there a little bit.  Whatever.  Half the point of discussing the changes is to ensure that House going forward have a more solid RP foundation than their predecessors so that they belong in the city, rather than just happening to be based there.



    This whole Renaissance thing kinda reminds me of Makali's stance on Destruction.  Seems fitting.

    I also don't know why people are talking about Hashan.  Everybody in Sapience knows that Hashan doesn't actually exist.  #reclaimtheforest

  • I'm fine with that. Give us a reason to fuck with Cyrene militarily. 

  • I would have liked a more Ice theme incorporated into Cyrene's remake, but eh, to each their own.

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  • Eiredhel said:

    Nikolete said:

    Maybe I missed this, is it mentioned what Cities / Houses will be next?

    Mhaldor is being done currently, then farmville(Eleusis), then the darkness hallow(Hashan), and they will be finishing it up with 'MURICA(Ashtan). :)



    I'm curious about what Mhaldor would be called, were it not the next City.


  • edited July 2014
    Jukilian said:
    Vortok said:

    I also don't know why people are talking about Hashan.  Everybody in Sapience knows that Hashan doesn't actually exist.  #reclaimtheforest

    I was cool with your post up until that unnecessary (see also: ignorant, immature, etc) stab at the end of your post about a city you likely know nothing about.

    Nothing more than a very old joke that shows my age.  You're right, it was probably in poor taste.


    I'd love to see a strongly defined image from Hashan (then again, their Divine seem to, in part, be about being subtle, elusive, and hard to pin down...).  Some of the cities in Achaea encompass, in a very broad sense, various extremes of common stereotypes (we're the 'good' guys, we're the 'bad' guys, etc.).  Necessary and useful, but also a rather unsurprising and expected existence.

    With those roles filled, other cities have the chance to assume a more unique identity that brings depth to the world so that possesses more than just the standard stereotypes.  Hashan is a city that can easily be in the latter group.  Although some of its citizens may have a strong identity and sense of purpose it's clear that others are more muddled (kinda like how Shallam had a massive entourage of snuggle kingdom members that just didn't mesh with the direction the city was supposed to stand for, RP-wise).  Thus, I look forward to what may happen when Hashan's turn comes to receive an overhaul.

    Love or hate them, a city like Mhaldor that's active beyond their own city walls (even if it's to pee in everyone else's cheerios) helps breath life into the game.  The more cities that are actively engaging the world  the better.  Dat player interaction.

  • Harmonia said:
    Layna said:
    Eiredhel said:
    Nikolete said:

    Maybe I missed this, is it mentioned what Cities / Houses will be next?

    Mhaldor is being done currently, then farmville(Eleusis), then the darkness hallow(Hashan), and they will be finishing it up with 'MURICA(Ashtan). :)



    I'm curious about what Mhaldor would be called, were it not the next City.

    -Soviet Mhaldor, naturally.

    That's not nearly as fun as Farmville, or the Darkness Hallow. It's still got Mhaldor in it. Put some effort in @Harmonia !


  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida

    I think @Vyktoria is hacking the forum software.

    *suspicious*

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  • Melodie said:

    I think @Vyktoria is hacking the forum software.

    *suspicious*

    What did I do?


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  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!
    Vyktoria said:
    Melodie said:

    I think @Vyktoria is hacking the forum software.

    *suspicious*

    What did I do?

    Agree and like listed at the same time. Normally the forums cancels out your first tag when you click the second. In your case it seems to have spazzed out and not done this.

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