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Money should never trump RP, especially when the ToS already states that what you buy with credits may change at a whim since Achaea is a living world. I say excomm them and push forth a new era. That's what players are allowed to do. If Carmain could do it to Hashan, you can do it to Cyrene
I really don't understand it. They put so much effort into destroying Shallam and making Targossas, in no small part to address exactly this issue, yet, we're still minting new devotionists with no plan to stop. I really did think they might turn off the spigot with this Renaissance, too.
Mhaldor skirted the rules a fair amount and did a fair few underhanded things that would be frowned upon when brought to light to force necromancy back to Mhaldor. I would do it all again though.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
I'd wonder if you *could* do it all again (although I don't know exactly what you did, of course). I think there is a much smaller population of necromancy users than devotionists, so that helps, but hrm.
Nor was it completely successful.
it was successful. Just because you might still have necros doesn't mean we didn't achieve what we wanted.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
This is a valid issue. Priests are infinitely more able to integrate into a city via their skills than an apostate/infernal can.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Yes, I'd think so (i.e. the nature of the two classes is quite different and interplays differently in group dynamics), and there may also be an aspect of timing. I can't remember when all of the necros were recalled, but I do think I was at least playing by then (i.e. it happened after guilds)? There was a window of time there when you could probably, to put it nicely, get things done by being kind of a dick. One of those "you probably didn't want to be there at the time, but it turned out well down the road" situations, and further, something that might not be doable now (even for necromancy).
I mean more that there will never be a 100% recall without admin backing, which is fine to me. I have always been a supporter of player enforcement.
it was about 2-3 years ago?
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
The difference between anathema and excommunication as I understood it was that anathema can be reversed by the Dread Eclair (like an enemy status) and excommunication can't (at least, I couldn't), so the latter required this whole song and dance routine.
As far as the conversation goes (and an implied word of caution to all the people saying Cyrene, Hashan, and maybe Ashtan should have factional classes), IN THEORY it allows for this tense environment of toeing a delicate line between being an outsider to your chosen faction, but also to the faction to whom the skill belongs. IN PRACTICE Devo/Necro/to a lesser extent Occultism are treated by people in Cyrene/Hashan like literally just any other skill, and you get to deal with a bunch of people telling you that you/your leaders/your ideology are wrong and they can prove it by virtue of you not being able to deny them this ability that canonically is given by the gods to save/destroy Creation so neener neener. Added headache: alternative orgs spring up that don't make a whole lot of sense lore-wise but serve as competition for factional orgs, ensuring that the failing among the latter remain failing when the Shallam/Mhaldor/Targ population hasn't ever been huge to begin with.
Furthermore, not one excommunication I ever did was ever RPed out. Not a one has ever improved the quality of factional RP. It always devolved into either some version of "I'm going to complain to the Church patron" or a version of "c'mon man, think about the money I've spent on this game/artefacts, think about my character's RP, screw this game I quit" etc. etc. etc.
I don't know if the best solution to the problem of diluted factional identity on account of classes being outside the city is to disallow them from joining other cities and to offer everyone who's a member of that class a free classchange/artefact handin, or if you should have to get approval from someone in Targ first before you can go priest, or what. I do know it's way more of a pain than it's worth and should probably be addressed in some form.
Exactly why Silas needs to spam that excomm button
Wow, 70 is a lot. Could just work on how Devotion is regained as a non-Targossian. Maybe have devotion gained by offering corpses at Bloodsworn shrines, or some new shrine-like thing within Targossas itself? That would really stress the factional nature of the skill, and allow the Cyreni government to put IC pressure on those people for those acts.
He'd just get, at minimum, removed from the position/cast out, and at maximum, shrubbed, and the excomms would all get reversed. Admin don't mess around with that stuff.
I can agree with this, I know for a fact if Hashan or one of their divine controls Shaman in any way I would immediately be forced to change class just because they don't like me OOC for some stupid shit that is barely IC.
Dunno man. Like Carmain said... he was able to do it without repurcussion. Players need to be able to have a degree of control over the world too
Barely resisting the urge to post 'Let it go'
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
It's possible Targ could get away with excomming new devotion users to "send us a message" in Cyrene. I wouldn't blame them for wanting a warm fuzzy from admin first though. Also, Mathonwy clarified some things about the way the mechanics of turning off someone's class skills in necromancy vs devotion works. I thought I remembered hearing there was a significant difference between the two, and he explained it.
I like my class though
I was AP and had "the talk." You can't freely excomm, no matter how appealing the notion may be.
You misunderstood me @Iocun. I was saying Cyrene's political users should of held up the "shady prophecy" and say look this guy has been right so far so let's not risk losing anyones lives by having a house hall collapse on them. Let's make three new houses and share equally in our indifference to outside forces.
There's nothing worse that you can do to further a notion than do something extreme that sees you cut out and gets reversed. Me excomming 70 Cyrenians sounds like a fine idea to people who aren't involved, but that being immediately reversed by Tecton and me being shrubbed just reinforces the idea that Cyrenian Devotionists don't answer to Targ.
That needs to change, then... or the admin need to cull devotionusm in Cyrene, otherwise Cyrene will continue to have this severe identity crisis by being mechanically attached to the hip to Targ when it looks like the majority of the population want out
They had a "talk" :O
I just got told to join Mhaldor because all apostates we're called back and was like...."ok..."
Riot.
dat Quote train though!
let's add to it
so pretty!
Ah, I see. That would work, I suppose. The main problem would just be that the leaders would have had to take the "blame" of that decision and might have gotten a lot of resistance from other players, possibly to the point of being challenged for their positions.
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This is very naïve. If Cyrene wants out, they literally hold all the cards in this situation and are perfectly free to sever all ties and denounce the Bloodsworn. My job would then be incredibly easy.