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When you don't know how to condense your thoughts, you end up posting a novel. Length is not, in itself, a bad thing, but length is often a symptom of irrelevant content. Posting something unnecessarily long detracts from your points because others are less likely to read your entire post and grasp what's relevant. If you feel strongly about something, you should want to get your point across clearly - especially here, a thread the admins are reading receptively. Waffling on for the sake of catharsis is what your friends are there for.
edit: 93 words, what a hypocrite
Meh.
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Wow, you are all so very hostile about a single example someone used. This is kind of getting sickening. Do you hear yourselves? Are you reading what you are saying? Are you actually reading things? You are now calling someone a troll because they decided to use Hashan as an example.
Is that how Hashan operates? No wonder people think it's a god awful place.
On the subject of 'What if you don't think any of the houses work for you?' Well, my opinion is this: The new houses are just starting and don't have a ton of history. I really think that this is a great chance to forge a path and make a niche for yourself in whatever house you want.
no one else gives a shit about Hashan let cyrene talk about their shit or something
I am throwing in information from my point of view to correct some of the things he was claiming in his examples that he was portraying in ways that seemed to imply that it actually happened. And I responded from my experience (more than 200 IG years as a Serpentlord) to correct the record.
I think @Nim was referring more specifically to @Jacen, not to you.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
It doesn't matter if the example was right or not. It was a demonstrative example to clarify a point. Some people might hate other people, and restructuring houses might force these people into the same organization - and from the forums talk, it sounds like there's going to be an awful lot of that going on in Hashan regardless of whether that one incident is still valid or not. Hashan's not really alone in that regard either though - that'll happen everywhere.
That said, it's a sad truth that the effects of IC emotions will probably be trumped by OOC emotions.
Guys, it's fine. If there is one thing I've learned about Achaea. Pick your battles, and simply show that your way is the right way and the right opinion by winning. As history is written by the victors.
Anyway, I am sad that no one had time to comment on my questions, but oh well.
I really want to see some Cyrene house stuff as it will impact how people decide to move forward more than the past, as each House will be dealing with that internally I'd imagine.
Meow, meow, etc.
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I just don't like misinformation.
And some people may already share organisations with people that they hate.
We'll likely hear more about Cyrene once their Houses start letting people in and leadership works out, etc. I doubt it's something we'll get immediate feedback on.
Seriously...more than half of the Hashan talk actually feel like rants (those are actual rants @Bluef...there is seirously a difference). "Kharon Blacklotus hate everyone." "Hashan is a joke!" "I hate myself so much that I shall stab and stab repeatedly at my house members". etc. etc.
Let's move on from the shtick that is Hashan RP
Bringing up Hashan in any way is a forum faux pas. People should really know better.
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JK, but srsly, guys. All this bickering is unnecessary, and not really that helpful.
Be excellent to each other!
No, it's not 'faux pas' it's the fact that CYRENE just got new houses, and YOU ALL are bitching about Hashan, like you do in every other thread. Shut up about it already.
It'd be okay if any of the Hashan crap was at all relevant or even recent.
If Cyrene have things to say about the Renaissance, they'll share it here if they feel like it. It's not like discussing other Renaissance-related things is somehow off-topic.
As I said before, the Houses there don't even seem to be open to the public yet. I doubt they have much to say until after that.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
damnit @Silas stop making me agree with you
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
Being antagonistic to the antagonists is definitely helping, u gais. We can let it die and move on now, yes?
As for Cyrene, I'm excited. The old houses, as much as I loved them except for the Kindred, they never let me play with their ball ;_; were old and showing their age, and after the fact it's starting to feel more like a natural death that people are in mourning about than an admin-forced change that we just have to find a way to deal with. I'm not in the leadership teams, so clearly I have no idea how the new houses are turning out just yet, but I expect that given time they will have a history and lore just as complex as any of the four previous houses.
I'm keeping my hopes high for the changes to come, both for Cyrene and the rest of the game.
I'm just looking at the fact that this person
is saying this
Dramatic, over the top stuff, which is not only wholly false, but also of an instigating nature. If she's not a troll, I apologize, but she definitely needs to check her "friend's" facts before bringing them here, especially if there going to be of similar nature to the above.@Thessaly I woke up to 5 notifications from you, so I assume you wanted some kind of response from me. Given that this is an 18-year-old Ashtani character you're posting through, with a wealth of Hashani experience and an ex-Warden character, it's clear you don't want your posts associated with your actual characters, which tells me that even you know the statements you've made are a bit irrational or at least massively unpopular. That, alone, should at least make you consider the possibility that perhaps you're being a touch unreasonable with your opinions and expectations, but I'll try to clarify the comment I made a month ago that caught your eye.
Yes, consistency in roleplay is the core of a character, but when we roleplay, we must keep 3 things in mind:
1) Am I having fun? If you're no longer having fun because your established RP is preventing you from taking part in new RP, then you owe it to yourself to change your RP, because no character consistency is worth playing a character you don't enjoy. If you can't participate in the new Houses because your character is rooted in the old Houses, you're really just excluding yourself from the game. If you want to be a rogue and would have fun by not joining them, then by all means do so, but if you're not going to have fun as a rogue, then it's up to you to come up with a new character development that will allow you to keep playing and enjoying the game. That's no one else's responsibility.
2) Are the people around me having fun with me? Roleplaying is a group activity, so even if you're having fun with your personal RP, if it's causing headaches in the people around you, then you owe it to them to modify it so that they can have fun, too. It's the difference between being Mhaldorian and killing a Targossian because you're mortal enemies, and being Mhaldorian and killing every Targossian you can, every chance you can, because your RP can feasibly justify it. Moderation is key to everyone's enjoyment. It's one thing to roleplay a subtle distaste of ex-Black Lotus characters, it's an entirely different thing to be loud and obnoxious about that distaste to the point where it fractures the new organizations that Achaea trying to set up. The former is fine, the latter is discourteous to everyone you play with, so you must be willing to alter your RP so that it allows others around you to have fun, as well.
3) Am I cooperating with the GM? Even if you're having fun and the folks around you are having fun with your collective RP, the GMs are trying to tell a story, and trying to obstruct or fight them while playing their game is just going to frustrate everyone involved. On a practical level, we have to remember that if the GM ain't happy, ain't nobody happy, but really its just simple common courtesy to cooperate with the people trying to give you an exciting world to play in. If you were playing D&D at a friend's house, and he (As the GM) decided to institute a new rule you didn't like, you wouldn't keep driving to his house, week after week, hating the game and fighting him at every turn about this new rule, would you? You always have the option to stop playing if you hate the rule that much, but if you're going to keep playing, then you need to choose to embrace the change, so that you're not ruining the enjoyment of the GM and everyone else at the table.
So, while I agree with you in that we should always play consistent characters, we must balance our "obligations" to our roleplay with OOC courtesy and responsibility toward ourselves, our fellow players, and those who give us the opportunity to play at all. When the Renaissance was announced, I came down from my proverbial mountaintop with the realization that we had too many rogues and too many folks in ill-fitting Houses because the way we looked at classes was outdated in an increasingly cosmopolitan world. I decided that Knighthood could continue as a program run by the city (As was hinted in the OOC announce) and that Houses could expand their focus to allow other professions to pursue the education they wished. (As was hinted in the OOC announce) This was spurred on by an OOC announcement, but was a completely IC character development that I pursued of my own volition, because I want to continue enjoying the game, and I can't do that if I'm playing a character that would hate the new world order. If that's metagaming, then playing Serpent because you, the player, like Subterfuge is also metagaming, because your OOC preferences have influenced your choice in class.
My character's core beliefs haven't changed in the slightest, only the way I perceive certain details surrounding class and houses, so that I can mesh fluidly into the new age. Will I miss the old system? Yes, some. Do I have concerns for the new system? Yes, some. But I want to join the new Houses and have fun, and want others to join them and have fun with me, and want the GMs to have fun making Achaea a dynamic world where things change, so I felt it was my responsibility to alter my character's perceptions so that all three of those things could happen.
I hope, in time, you can too.
As much as @Branwen disagrees, this is entirely true. I've even heard it from several founders from the new Houses. If there's a certain niche you want for the House you want to play, and you don't see it right off the bat, it doesn't mean that one of the Houses can't naturally evolve that idea.
couldnt help it
The founders are being given less than a week to fill out an inner structure for a BRAND NEW HOUSE. There is going to be PLENTY to contribute, especially in areas that can't just be brainstormed and must be developed through an active populace, such as culture and traditions. If folks can go into them with an open mind and be willing to contribute, everyone will have an opportunity to carve a niche for themselves.
"Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to? You will never find that [everlasting] life for which you are looking. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping. As for you, Gilgamesh, fill your belly with good things; day and night, night and day, dance and be merry, feast and rejoice. Let your clothes be fresh, bathe yourself in water, cherish the little child that holds your hand, and make your wife happy in your embrace; for this too is the lot of man."
I actually like the changes, and my only concern is that houses won't change enough (but hopefully they will), but it's been interesting to watch how hostile people are towards those who think things have been somewhat hastily/shoddily implemented. I actually think when Thessaly came along, it was a chance to pounce on someone relatively powerless, instead of some of the more powerful/liked forumers who are unhappy with the changes as implemented (and have every right to be). Achaea forumers have historically been frankly overly supportive of admin, even when it's not really to their own benefit or admin is being a bit unreasonable (although I don't think admin bears any fault this time). I just read over on Imperian that admin was going to remove their equivalent of Mayan crowns from their memberships (yes, their memberships) and the forumers collectively said "oh hell no". Here, that conversation would have been much more likely to be in admin's favor. They also complained about this month's promo and that was changed. Anyway, I do think our House changes were rolled out a little hastily, but personally, I just don't care, and I think admin just realized they needed to get it done. The advice to make the changes work for your character is good advice, but I'm not kidding myself that this is great/epic RP.
EDIT: but multi-class is going to be amazing, and having broad houses with multi-class might also be amazing
While I agree that forumers have been supportive of the admin lately, I totally wasn't supporting them when they were killing off Divine. But - like the destruction of the Houses, I see their reasoning. There's been times that forumers have also gone "oh hell no" (insert Moods anyone?) and the admin changed it or removed it. Yes, you can dislike that Houses are being removed, but it IS for the advancement of the game, to allow multiclassing. Removing the hard-coded class requirements from the already-standing Houses would have just not made sense RP-wise, so breaking the old ones down and creating new ones not only allows them to redo coding for Houses (that they started with Targossas) but to allow the RP of anyone can join any House to follow the character's RP.
And yes, multi-classing is going to be amazing
Dude a whole week? Get me three beers and we'll bang it out in 40 minutes, no joke.
Will buy you said beers and watch you work.
But in all seriousness, that's more time than I was expecting. Long enough for things to be taken care of, and short enough to keep people from purposefully stalling things.
Meow, meow, etc.
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Will things still change and adapt? Yes.
Will there still be people who don't find a house that's tailored to their personal preferences? Yes.
Was this already the case before? Yes.
I don't think getting new houses will have a substantial effect on how much the average player will be able "feel at home" in the long run. The available options will fit for some and not fit for others, as always.
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