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  • AlrenaAlrena Posts: 644Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Wicella said:
    Wait, how are people getting wheel spins? O.o

    Also, if you are fishing in someone's grove and don't leave when they ask you, it's pretty right to eject them. That's spammy af and there's literally hundreds of non grove rooms to fish from.  
    He was in the room first, though, so it's not like he went there to bother them. Groves aren't a forestal's personal property, either. I would've done the same. Eject is also most definitely an offensive action.
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  • TahquilTahquil Posts: 4,060Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Wasn't there a ruling that groves aren't private property so there is no possible way to be trespassing?
  • SobriquetSobriquet Posts: 2,106Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    And refusing to leave a grove when asked could be seem as justification for said aggessive action, depending on the dialogue of course. 
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  • AlrenaAlrena Posts: 644Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Sobriquet said:
    And refusing to leave a grove when asked could be seem as justification for said aggessive action, depending on the dialogue of course. 
    So you're saying if someone enters a room you were already in, and tells you to leave, you'd just up and walk away or accept they can attack? I don't think there's a lot of people who will accept that's proper justification to attack. Again, groves are not a forestal's personal property, so they have no right to ask anyone to leave.
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  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 717Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Just mushroom everything.
    XadenAnze
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sobriquet said:
    And refusing to leave a grove when asked could be seem as justification for said aggessive action, depending on the dialogue of course. 
    If many insults were hurled, yes, but simply stating "No I do not wish to leave here" is definitely not enough. 


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
  • PyoriPyori Posts: 987Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Sobriquet said:
    And refusing to leave a grove when asked could be seem as justification for said aggessive action, depending on the dialogue of course. 
    I don't entirely disagree with this. However, if you opt to 'retaliate' then the person who refused to leave has every right to smash your face in. Like I did in the log.
    Tahquil said:
    Wasn't there a ruling that groves aren't private property so there is no possible way to be trespassing?
    There's also this, though. You can politely ask them to leave your grove, as he did... The person you're asking doesn't have to oblige your wishes, however. If he demanded I left, I would've just PLAUGH'd him.

  • MizikMizik Posts: 2,073Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited February 22
    Dude, remember old groves and how fking bonkers they were? 
    Elevate+Damage totem 
    Swarm+Thorns+fast golem shield break spam
    Barrier+Entangle 
    Cage+ ... what's the one that gave you forest wide Piety + not having lessons for survival because I wanted class skills
    Summon+Displace
    Heal on a like 5s tick 
    Artied multiple grove lightning spam + summon 
    Reflexes+perma offbal swing staff spam

    I wouldn't fk with that chick
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    ThalyssraBlujixapugPrythe
  • DupreDupre M.Posts: 135Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @Alrena

    9) TRESPASSING
    (c) PROPERTY OF INTEREST - property that is owned by no one in
        particular, but has been administratively declared defendable by those
        with a specific interest in the property against trespass. All those
        with the defined interest has cause against trespassers until they leave.

       At this time, the only properties of interest are: 1) groves, which are
       properties of interest to the imprinter alone; 2) any room or series of
       rooms accessible through a specific skill that is designed to take the
       skill user to that room or series of rooms only, and nowhere else. All
       users with that skill have cause against any trespassers who do not have
       that skill. Rooms that can be reached through non-magical means (such as
       walking) do not fall under this definition. Nirvana, the Chaos Plane, the
       Inferno, and Glade of Isolation are examples of what does fall under this
       definition as group interest property.


    That was under pk rules, but it definitely translates to grove owners today having a roleplay justification to attack someone in their grove they do not want there. I mean your golem will straight up attack everyone on your enemy list automatically, the whole point is forestals have a say on defending their grove spot.
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    Dochitha
  • ZerisZeris Posts: 57Member ✭✭ - Stalwart
    edited February 22
    Dupre said:

    That was under pk rules, but it definitely translates to grove owners today having a roleplay justification to attack someone in their grove they do not want there. I mean your golem will straight up attack everyone on your enemy list automatically, the whole point is forestals have a say on defending their grove spot.
    Bolded is all that really needs to be pointed out. I will point out in addition though, that he was fishing. That guy wasn't defending against anything, he was just being a dick.
    Jurixe
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 881Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    "I'm just here, sitting on your cubicle. I'm not attacking you or anything, who cares if you wanna do some work?"
     <3 
    FaurPrythe
  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,568Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Shoulda killed the little insect. You let her off easy
  • DupreDupre M.Posts: 135Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    It was a dude. A mellifluous purring dude.
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  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,568Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Whatever it was, it needed to be dead
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,771Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mathilda said:
    "I'm just here, sitting on your cubicle. I'm not attacking you or anything, who cares if you wanna do some work?"
    The key here is that the Druid doesn’t own the land. They’ve claimed it, but no one has to recognize that as a”I own this now, it is mine”. I would have done the same thing, except actually killed him. Then went right back to fishing.

    Don’t put your grove on a fishing spot if you don’t want people in there doing stuff.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Anze
  • DupreDupre M.Posts: 135Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sapling Vadora, of the Ginger Plant is here. Sapling Mitsuo, of the Lobelia Wildflower is here. He wields a wyvern-etched druidic quarterstaff in both hands. Sapling Vapula, of the Red Elm is here.

    Also I think we all know why he wanted Pyori to leave.
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    Tysandr
  • LennLenn Posts: 155Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Ah? The PKers decided forced movement is an attack? I will start hiring for that then. :)
    Faur
  • DunnDunn The great Buffalo tundraPosts: 6,032Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That’s petty, but it may be enough to keep me from always getting kicked from Quisalis when there’s no contracts


    Antidas
  • AralayaAralaya Posts: 1,150Member @ - Epic Achaean
    I get why it's considered an attack on someone, but come on with it being unjustified. I get that you can't claim that it's your ground like a city, but IC it might as well be? The druid/whatever the other class is have a spiritual connection to the grove, so imo it should be considered trespassing.


    Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM

    teehee b.u.t.t. pirates
    Prythe
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aralaya said:
    I get why it's considered an attack on someone, but come on with it being unjustified. I get that you can't claim that it's your ground like a city, but IC it might as well be? The druid/whatever the other class is have a spiritual connection to the grove, so imo it should be considered trespassing.
    Don't walk into my gravehands, I set this up,  you are TRESPASSING ON MY HANDS! *pets hands*


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    AralayaAtalkezSaevaMelodie
  • AchillesAchilles Los AngelesPosts: 2,460Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Why not just extend city bounties to act contracts, at the very least in terms of keeping a mark active in quisalis/ivory
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  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I actually think letting cities place bounties or place contracts instead for higher risk targets would be ok, if we were going to add any quick fixes for the mark system. Contract goes up simply as Bounty from City X, and when completed it tells them it was a contract from X city for Y bounty or something. Not a perfect fix or even a great one, but'll at least add more contracts (not necessarily gold) for marks to stay in the system.


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 881Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Atalkez said:
    Mathilda said:
    "I'm just here, sitting on your cubicle. I'm not attacking you or anything, who cares if you wanna do some work?"
    The key here is that the Druid doesn’t own the land. They’ve claimed it, but no one has to recognize that as a”I own this now, it is mine”. I would have done the same thing, except actually killed him. Then went right back to fishing.

    Don’t put your grove on a fishing spot if you don’t want people in there doing stuff.
    I don't own my cubicle in my office, either, and I'm not aware of any case anywhere that is otherwise. But it's still common sense and common courtesy to not hang around when the person who's stationed there wants to use it.
     <3 
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mathilda said:
    Atalkez said:
    Mathilda said:
    "I'm just here, sitting on your cubicle. I'm not attacking you or anything, who cares if you wanna do some work?"
    The key here is that the Druid doesn’t own the land. They’ve claimed it, but no one has to recognize that as a”I own this now, it is mine”. I would have done the same thing, except actually killed him. Then went right back to fishing.

    Don’t put your grove on a fishing spot if you don’t want people in there doing stuff.
    I don't own my cubicle in my office, either, and I'm not aware of any case anywhere that is otherwise. But it's still common sense and common courtesy to not hang around when the person who's stationed there wants to use it.
    You have to stop with your analogies, they are always terrible.


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    AnzeElipise
  • SkyeSkye The Duchess BellaterePosts: 2,781Member, Seafaring Liason @@ - Legendary Achaean
    IIRC walking into hindrances like forestbinding used to be considered grounds for PK too. And you get a big world message when you forestbind so people could like, deliberately walk into the binding and then track/portal in to kill you if they hated you enough. >_>


    MinifieSherazad
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 881Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Minifie said:
    You have to stop with your analogies, they are always terrible.
    If my analogies make you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.
     <3 
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mathilda said:
    Minifie said:
    You have to stop with your analogies, they are always terrible.
    If my analogies make you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.
    They don’t make me uncomfortable, they are just terrible. 


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    SaevaTrey
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 881Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Prove how the analogy is inaccurate instead of telling me to stop. Is good.
     <3 
  • AnzeAnze Posts: 97Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    It's inaccurate because there's no social contract between the people in Ashtan and Eleusis. They're not working together or in any agreement to respect space that's not otherwise considered defendable.

    To everyone except those who follow/revere Nature that "spiritual connection" is meaningless. Can people trespass on a place where someone has a tent or cart?
    Prythe
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 2,000Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A cubicle is something that is given to an employee to turn into their own personal workspace, the mechanics of a workplace allow for this to be a more privatised space. A grove isn’t the same, some groves are in hunting places, off plane, next to or on top of places of interest. 

    A grove requires you just to embrace a grove class, nothing more. There is no interview to make sure you are mentally fine, no barrier to entry nor any management to ensure you don’t abuse the priviliges given to you with the cubicle. A cubicle is also given to you with very little choice on your part, you get lead to it and that space is yours. Groves are completely up to you where you wanna place it down. Like it near the water? Probably going to be people fishing. If you want an easier access grove, other people can access it easier as well, you can put your grove somewhere far off and random if you want a grove people are just not going to be bothered with.

    you also can’t exterminate a cubicle, but you can a grove. A better analogy would be a park, you place down your picnic, but the boys nearby are playing soccer and the ball threatens to fly into your picnic a lot. You can ask them politely to readjust their playing area to give you space, or move. You don’t get to put your picnic blanket down and then kick the kids in the head when their game gets too close/around your picnic. The forests are a public area, much like a park, you can assume you’ll not have people jump into your picnic if you aren’t bothering them, but you don’t get to kick others out because you pissed your name into the grass.


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    Plak
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