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  • SenaSena
    That seems a reasonable question. Especially since the answer is "Yes (for now)."
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Sena said:
    That seems a reasonable question. Especially since the answer is "Yes (for now)."
    Can it be done? Probably, with arties. Is it practical? Absolutely not.


  • ErnamErnam

    I'm dizzy.  Did you just disagree with Sena's (presumably mathematically accurate) answer to exactly what you asked?

    Also, arties are typically an assumption for bashing, I would think.

    @Sena, what's the best weapon for bashing, a soulpiercer/tfang?
  • SenaSena
    edited November 2014
    Kresslack said:
    Sena said:
    That seems a reasonable question. Especially since the answer is "Yes (for now)."
    Can it be done? Probably, with arties. Is it practical? Absolutely not.
    I gave numbers in the thread, it's entirely practical, at least while weaponry is as powerful as it currently is (which will presumably change with the knight/weaponry changes). Not worth learning weaponry for, but a lot of people already have weaponry, for combat or from a previous class.

    More than just being practical, if you already go with nimble for PvP and have trans weaponry, it's actually a good idea, better than iron.
    Ernam said:
    Also, arties are typically an assumption for bashing, I would think.

    @Sena, what's the best weapon for bashing, a soulpiercer/tfang?
    Arties aren't an assumption there. I gave examples of forged rapiers and flails that will do fine, and assumed 11 strength (since Antreus is Atavian).

    I don't know what the best weapon is, I only have a damage formula for rapiers, and a single data point for a few other weapons.
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    edited November 2014
    Ernam said:

    I'm dizzy.  Did you just disagree with Sena's (presumably mathematically accurate) answer to exactly what you asked?

    Also, arties are typically an assumption for bashing, I would think.

    @Sena, what's the best weapon for bashing, a soulpiercer/tfang?
    It's pretty clear (or at least it should be) I didn't ask that question. Saying it's viable is a stretch. It may be -possible-, but it certainly doesn't seem feasible.

    Also:

    [spoiler]

    [/spoiler]

    Also again:

    [spoiler]

    The joke was obviously over your head.
    [/spoiler]



  • ErnamErnam

    Oh, didn't realize that was a link, not an actual question (right?).

    I'm sincerely sorry if anyone's ego has been bruised by my attempt at answering a question that I thought to be real.

    And yes, even with 11 str (out of possible 18-19), it is viable.  Why wouldn't it be?

    I don't see anything wrong a 291cr skillset (Weaponry) being just as viable as another 291cr skillset (whatever contains your classes bashing attack).  If anything, all it's doing is giving you more options.  I realize that a lot of people assume that since Weaponry (like Riding) is a General skill, that it somehow deserves to remain irrelevant, but I am not one of the believers in that silliness.  Weaponry is a $100 skillset that allows your character to hit stuff, really hard.  Hitting stuff, really hard, repeatedly, is the definition of bashing.

    If alchemist NPC dps is the real issue, then I'd focus on that (and classlead it being brought more in-line with other classes)
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    edited November 2014
    I couldn't find my crayons, but Erman, if you think 'bashing' as an Alchemist with any non-artefact weapon (or even with any artefact weapon, since Alchemists don't have a skill that utilize any of these weapons naturally such as Serpent | Infernal | Runewarden), then I have an out-of-sub plot in Lothos to sell you. Sorry if your intelligence is bruised. Maybe buy a Sash of Camus.

    That's like a Monk running around trying to stab things with a broadsword, or a Blademaster NOT using their sword and skillset in favour of a battleaxe. Weaponry is a skillset that makes people who use Weapons hit harder. If your class doesn't use weapons, it's hardly practical. 

    Anyway, that was my quote from the forums, and I just thought it was funny. I guess for anyone interested in arguing how sensible or completely ridiculous such a thing as that sounds, here's the Thread so we can get back to actual quotes.


  • SenaSena
    Kresslack said:
    Saying it's viable is a stretch. It may be -possible-, but it certainly doesn't seem feasible.
    Like I said, I gave numbers in the thread, so if you want to dispute it then there are easy targets to argue against. Instead of saying it doesn't "seem" feasible, point out why it's not feasible.

    More numbers, to make it simpler.

    Iron damage, as an unartied atavian.
    Int-spec with quick-witted: ~196 DPS
    Int-spec with nimble (since an alchemist that PvPs will want nimble): ~176 DPS
    Con-spec with quick-witted (picking con over int for more survivability is entirely valid for bashing, especially unartied): ~167 DPS
    Con-spec with nimble (again, for PvP): 150 DPS.

    Now weapons. Lets assume a 78/231 rapier (good bashing rapier, but not amazing or rare at all) or a 125/178 flail (I don't know much about flail stats, that might be hard to find or it might be easy to find), which have about the same DPS.
    Int-spec with quick-witted: ~154 DPS. Obviously worse than iron when you're specced for iron.
    Int-spec with nimble: ~171 DPS. About equal to iron. In the case of the rapier (not so much the flail), might still be a better choice than iron because of the faster balance, even if you sacrifice some DPS. And of course with jera or a slightly better weapon it will be better than iron, even here with 15 int and 10 str.
    Con-spec with quick-witted: ~164 DPS. Same as above, almost equal to iron DPS, but faster.
    Con-spec with nimble: ~182 DPS. Worse than int-spec quick-witted iron, but better than iron in all other cases.

    So if you go con-spec OR nimble, then a weapon is practical.
  • SenaSena
    edited November 2014
    Kresslack said:
    or a Blademaster NOT using their sword and skillset in favour of a battleaxe
    Mizik does that (though with a dagger, not a battleaxe).

    Weaponry is always better than class skills for bashing as a blademaster or monk (Edit: If you have weaponry, of course), because they already use strength/nimble for bashing, and weaponry is just plain better than their class attacks. Weaponry is overpowered against denizens, since the bashing overhaul a few months ago. It's only questionable for classes that use quick-witted or int instead, or for artied magic classes (since there's diadem to boost eq and collars to boost magic attacks).
  • ErnamErnam
    edited November 2014

    @Kresslack‌

    If you're going to invest your entire argument in using insults to prove how "correct" you are, you should actually be correct.

    PS: I already have a sash of caymus (and a sash of wisdom, too!)
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    edited November 2014
    Kresslack said:
    I couldn't find my crayons, but Erman, if you think 'bashing' as an Alchemist with any non-artefact weapon (or even with any artefact weapon, since Alchemists don't have a skill that utilize any of these weapons naturally such as Serpent | Infernal | Runewarden), then I have an out-of-sub plot in Lothos to sell you. Sorry if your intelligence is bruised. Maybe buy a Sash of Camus.

    That's like a Monk running around trying to stab things with a broadsword, or a Blademaster NOT using their sword and skillset in favour of a battleaxe. Weaponry is a skillset that makes people who use Weapons hit harder. If your class doesn't use weapons, it's hardly practical. 

    Anyway, that was my quote from the forums, and I just thought it was funny. I guess for anyone interested in arguing how sensible or completely ridiculous such a thing as that sounds, here's the Thread so we can get back to actual quotes.

    I have an out-of-sub plot in Lothos to sell you.

    I have an out-of-sub plot in Lothos to sell you.

    And I love too                                                                          Be still, my indelible friend
    That love soon might end                                                         You are unbreaking
    And be known in its aching                                                      Though quaking
    Shown in this shaking                                                             Though crazy
    Lately of my wasteland, baby                                                 That's just wasteland, baby
  • ErnamErnam
    edited November 2014

    @Melodie‌

    He was implying that I'm stupid.

    edited due to your edit:  Yes, see the phrase: "If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you."
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    edited November 2014
    Ernam, stop being so sensitive. I really don't care about the semantics, not enough to do all the analytical stuff that Sena enjoys, and good on her, because it's good to have someone who actually seems to enjoy testing and providing that information to people. That's not my cup of tea, however, so I can and will simply say that it doesn't seem feasible, which Tecton seemed to be saying himself. I just don't see how flailing at something with a dagger as a Monk is a more plausible bashing strategy then actually using their class skills and combos.

    Anyway, again, should probably get back to quotes instead of further derailing the thread. As previously mentioned, anyone interested in squabbling over the practicality of such a notion can find the thread. I just thought it was an odd and funny question. Moving on!


  • JarrodJarrod
    Not to be caught agreeing with Ernam, because the forums might explode. But calling him dumb in multiple instances regarding a topic that you were not only incorrect on, but had clearly seen the link that proved you were incorrect beforehand, just makes you look stupid.

    Pretending he's sensitive afterwards when you made yourself look so hilariously inept is just sad.
    image
    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • ElphabaElphaba
    Ernam said:

    @Kresslack‌

    If you're going to invest your entire argument in using insults to prove how "correct" you are, you should actually be correct.

    PS: I already have a sash of caymus (and a sash of wisdom, too!)
    Diminishing returns?
  • ErnamErnam
    Elphaba said:
    Diminishing returns?

    Two characters.

  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    edited November 2014
    Jarrod said:
    Not to be caught agreeing with Ernam, because the forums might explode. But calling him dumb in multiple instances regarding a topic that you were not only incorrect on, but had clearly seen the link that proved you were incorrect beforehand, just makes you look stupid.

    Pretending he's sensitive afterwards when you made yourself look so hilariously inept is just sad.
    I never said I was correct, just that I disagreed with the reasoning. I apologize if my use of sarcasm in calling Ernam sensitive was lost on you, but your assumptions are very droll nonetheless. 

    [spoiler]
    Ernam said:
    Elphaba said:
    Diminishing returns?

    Two characters.

    Exhibit A[/spoiler]


  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    I miss this sword:

    3157h, 3272m, 14284e, 14780w exkdb-21-  (13:59:40:86)(-10 Mana)
    Summoning all of your emotions, you forge them into your blade, becoming one 
    with your sword. Baleful Mercy guides your hand as you circle Cooper in an 
    instant, carving through his weakened body with the four fatal cuts that form 
    the broken star. Returning Baleful Mercy to its sheath, barely a drop of blood 
    upon the blade, you watch on as Cooper's body falls in pieces to the ground.
    You have slain Cooper.
    A skullcap flower falls from Cooper's corpse.
    A goldenseal root falls from Cooper's corpse.
    A skullcap flower falls from Cooper's corpse.
    3157h, 3272m, 14084e, 14780w exkdb-21-  (13:59:40:89)



  • XithXith
    Cinnamon donuts.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • SenaSena
    edited November 2014
    Expertly formed from carefully carved wood and thick leather, this runic totem protrudes almost five feet from the ground, although it is not particularly thick in diameter. Largely unadorned, its smooth surface is interrupted only by the delicate silver inlay that defines spaces for six runes.

    A rune like an open eye is sketched in slot 1.
    A rune shaped like a butterfly is sketched in slot 2.
    A rune resembling an apple core is sketched in slot 3.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 4.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 5.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 6.
    It is tuned against enemies of Sena Sharpfang.
    It weighs about 30 pounds.
    It bears the distinctive mark of Sena.
    You may use this item to parry with.
    This totem is the property of Sena Sharpfang.
    This is the totem in my house. Back when I was a shaman I was playing around with the runes on it, and apparently never changed it back to something normal/useful before I changed class. And then I forgot about it until now, 5 years later.
  • RuthRuth Singapore
    Citizen                                                     Rank CT  Class
    -------                                                     ---- --  -----
    Duelist Crythril                                              1  On  Magi (Dragon)
    Thrall Mahesh                                                 1  On  
    Duelist Kisharo, Thrall of Milenka                            1  On  Monk
    Melodie, Herald of the Insidium                               1  On  Dragon
    Tyrannus Ruth I'llur, Dread Legate                            6  On  Dragon

    Denied. -We- have taken command over the city!
    "Mummy, I'm hungry, but there's no one to eat! :C"

     

  • EldEld
    Sena said:
    Expertly formed from carefully carved wood and thick leather, this runic totem protrudes almost five feet from the ground, although it is not particularly thick in diameter. Largely unadorned, its smooth surface is interrupted only by the delicate silver inlay that defines spaces for six runes.

    A rune like an open eye is sketched in slot 1.
    A rune shaped like a butterfly is sketched in slot 2.
    A rune resembling an apple core is sketched in slot 3.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 4.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 5.
    A rune like a closed eye is sketched in slot 6.
    It is tuned against enemies of Sena Sharpfang.
    It weighs about 30 pounds.
    It bears the distinctive mark of Sena.
    You may use this item to parry with.
    This totem is the property of Sena Sharpfang.
    This is the totem in my house. Back when I was a shaman I was playing around with the runes on it, and apparently never changed it back to something normal/useful before I changed class. And then I forgot about it until now, 5 years later.
    That might be the first time I've ever seen Loshre sketched. Had to check the wiki to figure out which one that was.
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