Memorable quotes

Kross

Rom said:

I think the point he's making is that that conversation took place in says, so phonetically "should of" and "should've" would sound identical in that context, which is also likely the reason Kisharo has it mistaken.
Either that, or that minor grammatical mistakes like that (ones that don't incorrectly convey meaning) are best ignored unless the person has demonstrated that they'd be fine with being corrected.

You're all missing the point. They're Mhaldorian. One should have killed the other for disagreeing with one another. 

Kuy

Ugh.  I understand grammar, and I understand the desire to correct grammar.  However, your character isn't reading what's happening.  He/she is hearing it.  There are plenty of people that have a speech pattern that makes "should have" sound like "should of", though they understand completely the difference.

It's the small things that ruin immersion

Ellodin

that ruins immersion more than someone typing "ewe shud uv dun sumthin els?"

Elphaba

This one time Carmell incorrectly used "you're" instead of "your" in a yell/shout.

Cue Hirst simply shouting "your". It's nice to see his utilisation of journals paying off.

Shirszae

Kuy said:

It's the small things that ruin immersion

Honestly, poor grammar ruins my immersion more than mostly anything else.

Tharvis

Shirszae said:

Kuy said:

It's the small things that ruin immersion

Honestly, poor grammar ruins my immersion more than mostly anything else.

this is probably why I occasionally have to open the thesaurus to check correct spelling and whatnot, hurrah for english being the third language!

Silas

Correct it if he writes it in an essay or something, sure, but correcting it in says is silly.

It's hardly breaking immersion, since I do pull people on it if I hear them saying 'should of' irl, but it's definitely obnoxious.

Caoimhaen

I keep my phone beside me with the dictionary app so I can check spelling and proper use of words. I check definitions if I am unsure and also use the thesaurus part of the app when I am thinking of a word I cant remember,  but I know the unintelligent sounding synonym of the word. There are however times I mean for my character to use slang , or improper English, or even use words that make him sound less intelligent because he is very relaxed. I agree though. Improper grammar does make me twitch a bit. I have been known to be lazy and drop apostrophes and misspell things when I am in a hurry.

Tibitha

English is my second language ( I only learned it at age... 11?) But there's few things that irk me, "could care less" and "could of" are two of them.

Im terrible with typos though, I tend to press enter without proof reading and then face palming afterward. So I guess I can't judge.

That being said in this case the fact that he wasn't even aware that "could of" is incorrect probably makes correcting him worth it

Seftin

The slow status of having a conversation using long words in Achaea kills the immersion for me - when you are having an in-depth conversation and someone takes 2 minutes writing their response because they are scared of spelling a word wrong.

Fuck it, if it's wrong it's wrong, not the end of the world so long as I can get the meaning.

Stop being self-gratifying by correcting peoples spelling/grammar. Go masturbate instead, then you can get the same feeling but without making the other person feel like a fool.

Blujixapug

Kuy said:

Ugh.  I understand grammar, and I understand the desire to correct grammar.  However, your character isn't reading what's happening.  He/she is hearing it.  There are plenty of people that have a speech pattern that makes "should have" sound like "should of", though they understand completely the difference.

For all intensive purposes I agree, but playing doubles advocate I don't think it's too great a stretch to say you heard a difference between "should of" and "should have". If it was "should've" this would be a different conversation of course. We'd need a sample of Kisharo's pronunciation to really settle this.

Amarillys

I... are you doing that on purpose, Blu?

Mishgul

I hear plenty of people say "il dec u m8" irl over the phone, or in person, i can't see why i wouldn't be able to hear it in says, or why it would break my immersion. It'd be like the physics of achaean flying breaking my immersion.

Chiam

Wow, how did this escalate into a language debate.

English is like my 4th or 5th language including some dialects, so I'm definitely not a pro at it either, and I don't usually correct people. It's just because it's Kisharo (and he was counter-correcting me, too) and I posted the quote for the lols

Let's move on!

Rangor

Someone should try to correct Rangor when he typo's in his says.

Atalkez

Rangor said:

Someone should try to correct Rangor when he typo's in his says.

Challenge accepted.

Tharvis

Atalkez said:

Rangor said:

Someone should try to correct Rangor when he typo's in his says.

Challenge accepted.

@Atalkez has been slain, his mind torn asunder by @Rangor's typos.

Ernam

Rangor said:

Someone should try to correct Rangor when he typo's typos in his says.

Kresslack

Kuy said:

Ugh.  I understand grammar, and I understand the desire to correct grammar.  However, your character isn't reading what's happening.  He/she is hearing it.  There are plenty of people that have a speech pattern that makes "should have" sound like "should of", though they understand completely the difference.

It's the small things that ruin immersion

If I hear someone say "I seen it" I'm liable to glare at them and correct them. So while your character isn't reading what someone says, there are still things you would hear if someone said them that make you go, "Wait...what? No."

Asmodron

This isn't some college literature class, it's a game. The amount of people I see that attempt to make it into some senior's essay submission (A.K.A the old "write a 5 page essay" requirements) is beyond annoying. If you are correcting people on small things like "I seen it" and "should of" then frankly I pity that you feel the need for such self-gratification. Additionally, have you ever thought that perhaps they are playing their characters to seem uncivilized or inexperienced in speech? Just roll with it.


On a side-note, please do remember that not everyone is from 'murica and their first language is English. Alot of us are overseas (funnily enough you'll find some of those from overseas tend to speak even better english..but that's besides the point).

- rant off.

Kresslack

You're looking into this entirely too much (and for the record, I'm from overseas). It's not about 'self-gratification' so much as it is some people just think a language should be spoken properly, less it be riddled with ambiguity. That it is a game is of little actual relevance, as the same people who have such expectations and standards will apply them to all aspects. 

English is a beautiful language (like many), when spoken correctly. However, people are often set in their ways, even if they are incorrect. It's not a matter of ignorance, in my opinion; it's tolerance. Too many people have come accustomed to the blatant misuse of grammar and spelling that when someone calls them on it, they act genuinely appalled. 

Perhaps it is a lack of humility.

I had to spell check this a bit while typing it. Not because I'm anal retentive, but rather because I wish my message to be conveyed clearly. Taking that into consideration, I thank people when they offer correction or criticism, if it is genuine and can help me improve.

TL;DR: Whether correcting someone, or being corrected, try not to be rude. If you're wrong (as I have been many times in the past), just acknowledge it and move on.

In any case, we should probably get back to quotes.

Herenicus

Grammar norms reflect socioeconomic privilege and gender oppression. If only these forums had a ghostbuster brave enough to tackle the spectre of discrimination in whatever thread it chooses to hide, heedless of ridicule or public outcry...

Ernam

@Kresslack watching Inglorious Basterds again, just because of your gif.

Nim

Just for all this, I'm making an alt with horrible grammar, and we'll roleplay you correcting them and them never learning due to some reason(s) (cultural, force of habit, learning disability, laziness, Achaean as a second language, whatever).

Sena

Kresslack said:

some people just think a language should be spoken properly, less it be riddled with ambiguity.

Lest.

Ernam

@Sena, what is your icon thingy?

Sena

Just a random part of a random image. I'm not good at avatars.

Mizik

(Party): Merador says, "How good would something have to be where you'd check it wasn't bugged."

(Party): Jhui says, "Lol."

(Party): Merador says, "Obviously asking u not Mizik."

(Party): Jhui says, "Scrub."

(Party): Merador says, "He'd keep a 200/200/300 rapier."

(Party): Merador says, "And assume it was good forging rng."

naw

Mishgul

Remember that kid, what was his name again er Spire and that bug he found.

Atalkez

Mizik said:

(Party): Merador says, "How good would something have to be where you'd check it wasn't bugged."

(Party): Jhui says, "Lol."

(Party): Merador says, "Obviously asking u not Mizik."

(Party): Jhui says, "Scrub."

(Party): Merador says, "He'd keep a 200/200/300 rapier."

(Party): Merador says, "And assume it was good forging rng."

naw

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