Memorable quotes

Sabiru

Well it's clear now, but you probably should have put in your letter that as City Leader you can say with authority that no Hashani will be embracing Western Culture unless they choose to, which is almost certainly the case for about half of the city, and saved us all of this confusion!

On a serious note though, and hopefully the last derail from me, I offer this Protip: where the game atmosphere means aligned classes are being strongly encouraged to, well, align, I think city leaders might have slightly more responsibility than you care to admit in facilitating the more difficult parts of the shift (e.g. the parts where the players who pick to play and/or lead hashani chars would otherwise throw their arms in the air and say "Nyah, you can't make me!").

Sherazad

You get 10899 gold sovereigns from an embossed suede backpack.

Poorest HL evah.

I like these posts. It reminds me of home where we are mostly girls and we fight and hurt each other with hurty hurtful words which are then stopped by covering our ears, saying nanananana while going to our special places. 

Ruth

I thought Ourania shot a meteor at the Ivory Temple! What spire!

Vayne

Leaving behind the tenuous relevance between the letter and necromancy in Hashan, I feel no desire nor need to remove necromancy for Hashan. Those who followed the whole ordeal about it back in its hayday, you would know Hashan merely views it as a tool, acknowledging its source but not rendering any allegiance to it. Hashan, as a city, will continue accepting any class(except Forestals), including devos and necros, though some may be more welcome than others, whether the houses accept certain classes is up to them, not the government, not the patron.

EDIT:
@Sabiru During the actual pushes by Mhaldor to recall our Necromancers, there were options to change class with city aid. Again, that was the alternative to going to Mhaldor because most did not want anything to do with Mhaldor seeing it merely as a tool. Ex. Sir Hhaos. Likewise once more, I have no intention of purging Necromancy from Hashan. I have no problem making the hard decisions like that, my first act as Seneschal was trading Forestals for Alchemists, and boy did I feel the heat.

@Ruth Yes, she threw the helical spire that was in front of the academy, it was a gift from Apples.

Jacen

Sabiru said:

Well it's clear now, but you probably should have put in your letter that as City Leader you can say with authority that no Hashani will be embracing Western Culture unless they choose to, which is almost certainly the case for about half of the city, and saved us all of this confusion!

On a serious note though, and hopefully the last derail from me, I offer this Protip: where the game atmosphere means aligned classes are being strongly encouraged to, well, align, I think city leaders might have slightly more responsibility than you care to admit in facilitating the more difficult parts of the shift (e.g. the parts where the players who pick to play and/or lead hashani chars would otherwise throw their arms in the air and say "Nyah, you can't make me!").

Not that that isn't true, but you have to remember that it is a game, and Hashan gets nothing for giving up two classes. Player's won't take lightly to being forced, whether by hardcode or by player leaders, to give up possibly the biggest thing that defines a character, with nothing in return. Even then, its much easier to give it up via hardcode/admin policy than by player driven policy.

I'm all for stronger factional identity by calling factional classes/skillsets to their home cities, but without factional classes/skillsets for all cities, I won't support it.

Vayne

Ya, Hashan has been pretty boned by the recalls, we used to have the advantage of having near every class potentially at our disposal, now we are severely gimped in variety.

Sabiru

How about this angle instead: When the cities without any identity straightened up, picked/wrote some cool lore which polarised them, made the odd unpopular decision for the sake of image/conflict and became legitimate factions it'd be cool if they got their own classes

Arditi

You're absolutely right, Jacen. We need more aligned classes.

Tecton, please make an aligned class for Hashan with the following skillsets: "Missing the point", "Smug letter writing", and "Toothless declaration of hostilities". Naturally, all three of these skillsets will be comprised of nothing but passive skills, as befitting the Crown of the Ithmia.

Eventually, once people switch to the class out of curiosity and to see if the rumors of it being horribly underpowered are true, Hashan can therefore declare the people of that class who are not citizens of Hashan as "OUTLAWS", whereupon they will lose access to the entirety of their skills until they either repent and join Hashan, or quit class and choose another avenue of roleplay.

Cahin

I don't understand how you could feel justified wanting factional identity when you seem to think you're a conglomerate of sorts.

Vayne

Sabiru said:

How about this angle instead: When the cities without any identity straightened up, picked/wrote some cool lore which polarised them, made the odd unpopular decision for the sake of image/conflict and became legitimate factions it'd be cool if they got their own classes

While I appreciate the outside perspective(when it is constructive), it is obvious most of you have no understanding of Hashan. I have as well as others, including divine, been working on Hashan for several years now, redeveloping that identity and position in the world with our blood, sweat, and tears, despite all the flak and negative image we are given constantly on the forums. While, it would be nice to have our own factional class, since we are the only city without one, Tecton made it clear there are no plans for such in the works, but has commented that we will be getting some "tools" to help further solidify our factional identity.

Sabiru

Well ok, but you're still not kidding anyone. Not sure that it's clear to you, but everyone would love to have occies and apostates or both. Please remember that it's not by some feat of political brilliance that you've managed to keep them together when you probably shouldn't have either.

Iocun

Jacen said:

I'm all for stronger factional identity by calling factional classes/skillsets to their home cities, but without factional classes/skillsets for all cities, I won't support it.

I can relate to this. I'd like a complete separation of Cyrene and Targossas by removing devotion, but it kind of sucks to be one of two cities without any factional advantages whatsoever. I think all cities should become "factions" of sorts, with individual perks.

Vayne

See the thing is, accepting Apostates and Occies does not mean our streets are overflowing with them. House Occultists does a good job discouraging rogues without any kind of administrative kills switch, I think we have two Occies of note, at least in any kind of a combat sense. Likewise, I can barely think of any necros we still have in our city. I would love to have beckon, but I cannot remember the last time I saw it used for us and not against us.

Arditi

You aren't the only city without an aligned class, unless Ty Beirdd managed to come up with a way to make any enemy Bards lose their voices.

And you won't get one until Hashan stakes out a position in the world that isn't "the middle of every fence ever made ever". I mean, christ, the least you could do is become the City of Business and go run Cyrene over for being so focused on aesthetics rather than making money. At least then you would have an ethos beyond "Join Hashan if you want all the benefits of cities and Houses and none of the responsibilities".

Jacen

Sabiru said:

How about this angle instead: When the cities without any identity straightened up, picked/wrote some cool lore which polarised them, made the odd unpopular decision for the sake of image/conflict and became legitimate factions it'd be cool if they got their own classes

Great idea, but Tecton already said that there are no more factional classes coming.

ETA Nevermind, Ninja'd

Silas

Trying to say that "Hashan works a bit differently" and that people who disagree "don't understand Hashan" is silly. Hashan works differently solely because Hashan wants to have its cake and eat it. You've made some good steps in standing on your own two feet, but the attitude shown in this thread, if it translates to what you do in-game, is going to make any progress you make there meaningless since Hashan will never have its own identity under the terms you feel entitled to.

ETA: There is also a factional class already available for Hashan to stake a claim on, and given recent developments I'm quite sure the administration would be 100% happy to work with you on staking that claim. Any complaints about Hashan being gimped re: factional classes are just another example of a lack of player initiative.

Sabiru

^.

Surely, if there aren't any necromancers anyway, you stand to lose very little by working to remove apostate/infernal from your houses, and instead would recover some amount of dignity as an org?

At the moment you are actively speaking out against (actively hostile towards? Idk) Mhaldor while having necromancy classes - I'm sure you can in fact see that this isn't you being intelligent, but rather smugly exploiting the long-apparent holes created by dormant faction gods/hard coded house-class interactions which people outside of your city* can't influence whatsoever in game.

Edit: oops, said faction

Arditi

I mean, we could influence them.

"Attention Naga: Upon seeing a non-Mhaldorian necromancer, you are to dstab them with enough vardrax to give them a Devotion pool. This will continue until they give up the Lord's arts, join Mhaldor, or issue and whine on forums about how we're killing their unaligned aligned class RP."

Jiraishin

@Sherazad Wrong. I've been poorer as HL.

Congrats on Daemonic Hand, btw.

Vayne

Hashan is not entitled to anything.

Sabiru said:

^.

Surely, if there aren't any necromancers anyway, you stand to lose very little by working to remove apostate/infernal from your houses, and instead would recover some amount of dignity as an org?

At the moment you are actively speaking out against (actively hostile towards? Idk) Mhaldor while having necromancy classes - I'm sure you can in fact see that this isn't you being intelligent, but rather smugly exploiting the long-apparent holes created by dormant faction gods/hard coded house-class interactions which people outside of your city* can't influence whatsoever in game.

Edit: oops, said faction

But you guys are doing a brilliant job policing them yourself, although House Occultist seem to do so more effectively with their class. This process seems more appealing to me than hardcoding them in or out of our system like Forestals/Alchemists, but if you really think we are bucking the system unfairly, that is something to consider, them going the way of devos.

@Sabiru Though this massive derail got off to a rocky start, I appreciate you conversing like an adult with me.

Alaric

can we just go back to the "what's Hashan?" jokes and move on.

Vayne

Silas said:

ETA: There is also a factional class already available for Hashan to stake a claim on, and given recent developments I'm quite sure the administration would be 100% happy to work with you on staking that claim. Any complaints about Hashan being gimped re: factional classes are just another example of a lack of player initiative.

Uh, which class would that be?

Silas

Which class started in a Hashani guild?

Kyrra

I'd have thought shamans.

I like answering for other people.

Alaric

I think i know this one...john cafferty and the beaver brown band

Jacen

And let Cyrene grab runewardens as their faction class? No thanks

Vayne

Silas said:

Which class started in a Hashani guild?

Oh oh, I know this one...Sentinels!

Yes, Shaman/Runewarden would be the near ideal choice, I'd like Serpent but that will never happen. Still wrestling runelore from the Wardens would be a tough one.

Silas

Runelore as a skill is almost certainly not going to be monopolised by any one faction, since all factions will need access to totems as a major part of current standard city defences. Stick to the other two skills.

ETA: My assumption would be that Cyrene would get bards, given that Mhaldor would still need access to runelore and is alienated from every other city, but who knows what direction the admins will take it if the players push hard enough.

Kuruvar

Vayne said:

While, it would be nice to have our own factional class, since we are the only city without one,

I don't really want to join in with the Hashan bashing, but I don't see how this statement is in any way true. Unless I'm mistaken, Eleusis is the only city containing Houses which are the only House to accept a given class. Even if we were to look at notionally city-specific classes, such as apostates and infernals for Mhaldor and occultists for Ashtan, what then would Cyrene and Targossas' city classes be? You could make an argument for priests and paladins with Targossas, I suppose, but frankly it would take a pretty cataclysmic shift for them to be thrown out of Cyrene entirely.

Kyrra

I'll totem for everyone. Seriously. Let me implant my wood into your ground.