Quick Questions

Nellaundra

Monk.

Jacen

I'm watching Arrow and the dude just said "... the poison cure-are-ee."

Is that how curare is pronounced? Mind = Blown

Sena

/kjuːˈrɑːriː/

Kazu

Ramas said:

New to this so I was wondering what's the best low upkeep class?

Monk by far.

Kyrra

Love Arrow. Them abs :x

Jacen

Sena said:

/kjuːˈrɑːriː/

That's not even english!

Sena

Syri said:

Are different types of bait more effective in different fishing environments?

If by "types of bait" you mean small, medium, and large, then yes. Lake fish are generally easier to catch than river fish, so you can likely handle larger bait on lakes. It depends on your skill level as well.

If you mean different types of bait of the same size (for example, a difference between mudsucker and octopus), I've never heard of any difference, as far as I know they're identical.

Eld

Jacen said:

Sena said:

/kjuːˈrɑːriː/

That's not even english!

Neither is curare!

Anaidiana

Eld said:

Jacen said:

Sena said:

/kjuːˈrɑːriː/

That's not even english!

Neither is curare!

IPA ftw. 

Ramas

Trevize said:

Ramas said:

New to this so I was wondering what's the best low upkeep class?

Upkeep in terms of gold or time?

Whats the difference?

Nellaundra

The answer is Monk irregardless.

Koyuki

Hey, I just met you guys~

And this is craaaaazeee~

I have this question~

Answer it, maybe?~

If I send bulky Ahri top, and I have a fiddlesticks Mid, and a Tristana bot, with a Sona support and a Phoenix stance Udyr, is that too much AP?

I've seen Ayoxele use illusions before, so I'm assuming that they're for pretending to afflict to cause someone go off of a chosen balance, but does illusions work on every class? (I know it doesn't work on Blade Master, but is that the only exception?)

Vaehl

Vaehl said:

it is something cute you add to the end of your sentence~

--doesn't work on that freaking annoying song.

About your question: the illusions aren't always nullified. The abilities clarity (Blademasters) and lifevision (Apostates, Infernals, Mask of Lifevision artefact) have a chance of making your illusion have '** Illusion **' above it, which is coded into most systems to ignore the illusion. The chances of catching the illusions can be decreased if the illusionist owns some artifact - I think the Talisman of Obfuscation (should be something of Obfuscation). The Talisman isn't very common at all, though.

Aside from the illusion catching chance, the previously mentioned abilities can make you see hidden people, and see shrouded people and their actions.

And yeah, I do use illusions to get ahead of some balances or make their system assume some things or make them change priorities or make them change their offensive strategy, but I also sometimes just illusion fun stuff like someone who could illusion IRL would likely do in a fight (chains holding someone back, etc), but I do that really rarely.

Udyr juggling with Phoenix stance wouldn't really be raising his AP so he'd remain a physical damagey tank. Fiddlesticks' passive + someone having an abyssal scepter + a WoTA from someone could help cut your losses from that heavy of an AP team but yeah, it's a bit magicy.

Eld

Koyuki said:

Hey, I just met you guys~

And this is craaaaazeee~

I have this question~

Answer it, maybe?~

If I send bulky Ahri top, and I have a fiddlesticks Mid, and a Tristana bot, with a Sona support and a Phoenix stance Udyr, is that too much AP?

I've seen Ayoxele use illusions before, so I'm assuming that they're for pretending to afflict to cause someone go off of a chosen balance, but does illusions work on every class? (I know it doesn't work on Blade Master, but is that the only exception?)

Blademasters and necromancers (Apostate and Infernal) have abilities that give them a chance to notice that an illusion is an illusion. There's also an artefact, the mask of lifevision, that gives the same ability. Other than that, illusions work the same against everyone, in terms of in game abilities. In many cases, there are ways to deduce that something is an illusion (e.g., an illusion of you eating an herb and it curing something when you didn't send a command to eat that herb), and some curing systems (most noteably svo) will have checks built in to avoid getting fooled as much as possible.

Eld

Vaehl said:

it is something cute you add to the end of your sentence~

--doesn't work on that freaking annoying song. About your question: the illusions aren't 100% nullified. The abilities clarity (Blademasters) and lifevision (Apostates, Infernals, Mask of Lifevision artefact) have a chance of making your illusion have '** Illusion **' above it, which is coded into most systems to ignore the illusion. The chances of catching the illusions can be decreased if the illusionist owns some artifact - I think the Talisman of Obfuscation (should be something of Obfuscation). The Talisman isn't very common at all, though. Aside from the illusion catching chance, the previously mentioned abilities can make you see hidden people, and see shrouded people and their actions.

Pretty sure clarity at least (and I assume lifevision) doesn't affect seeing shrouded people. You can see them with thirdeye, and see some of their actions with hypersight.

Sena

Clarity/lifevision/astralvision do let you see some, but not all actions that are normally hidden by shroud/cloak. Thirdeye doesn't show anything that lifevision doesn't.

Shrouded adventurers in room descriptions: Visible with either thirdeye or lifevision.
Shrouded movement: Not visible to thirdeye, visible with lifevision or hypersight.
Not sure on other actions.

Eld

Sena said:

Clarity/lifevision/astralvision do let you see some, but not all actions that are normally hidden by shroud/cloak. Thirdeye doesn't show anything that lifevision doesn't.

Shrouded adventurers in room descriptions: Visible with either thirdeye or lifevision.
Shrouded movement: Not visible to thirdeye, visible with lifevision or hypersight.
Not sure on other actions.

I stand corrected. In that case, does anyone know if there are actions that are visible with hypersight, but not lifevision/clarity? They both show movement and wielding items, neither shows dropping or picking up items, neither is needed to see cures, couldn't think of anything else to check.

Syri

Sena said:

Syri said:

Are different types of bait more effective in different fishing environments?

If by "types of bait" you mean small, medium, and large, then yes. Lake fish are generally easier to catch than river fish, so you can likely handle larger bait on lakes. It depends on your skill level as well.

If you mean different types of bait of the same size (for example, a difference between mudsucker and octopus), I've never heard of any difference, as far as I know they're identical.

Yeah, I meant the differences in bait like octopus and mudsucker. The lake bit is interesting, though. Do the fish in lakes tend to be smaller than river fish as well?

Tesha

Robust or receptive body for pvp? As I understand it robust is better for non-threatening damage like dsls, and receptive body would give me 5%(? what is the bonus, exactly?) more of my life on axekicks, bbts, enfeebles, etc. That means receptive body is better for burst damage, right?

Mishgul

other way around.  Your ability to heal mitigates dps, your amount of health/resistances will mitigate burst damage.

Sena

Syri said:

Do the fish in lakes tend to be smaller than river fish as well?

They do. You can see the characteristics of each fish type in HELP FISHING, and get an idea of the maximum weight with RANKINGS FISHING.

Eld

Tesha said:

Robust or receptive body for pvp? As I understand it robust is better for non-threatening damage like dsls, and receptive body would give me 5%(? what is the bonus, exactly?) more of my life on axekicks, bbts, enfeebles, etc. That means receptive body is better for burst damage, right?

Receptive body is a 5% boost to your health sip (half of a level 1 sip ring). Robust will increase your max health by three times your level. Since your sip depends on your max health, robust will also boost your health sip by about the same amount as receptive body (~4.5-5.5%, depending on level and con). But it will also increase the damage you take from many adventurer attacks.

As for the burst damage question, I think it depends on what kind of burst damage you're talking about. For things like bbt and choke, which are purely a percentage of your max health, receptive body should be better, since you'll sip for a larger percentage of your max health. Not sure how it would balance out for which is better overall.

Talonia

@Eld, I think you mean Robust will increase the damage you take from many adventurer attacks. Denizen attacks (as far as I know) do not typically scale with health or have a percentage-based component. Else, bashing things we used to in levels 40-50 might still be dangerous at later levels, which obviously isn't true. 

Antonius

There's no +4, that point of extra constitution is just worth 3 health per level before percentage modifiers. I'm also pretty sure that denizen damage is, on the whole, totally unrelated to maximum health.

Eld

Talonia said:

@Eld, I think you mean Robust will increase the damage you take from many adventurer attacks. Denizen attacks (as far as I know) do not typically scale with health or have a percentage-based component. Else, bashing things we used to in levels 40-50 might still be dangerous at later levels, which obviously isn't true. 

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Edited.

Ugh, and @Antonius is right, that +4 shouldn't have been there either, also fixed. Shouldn't try to do numbers before finishing the morning coffee.

Anyway, the rest should be fine.

Iocun

Eld said:

For things like bbt and choke, which are purely a percentage of your max health, receptive body should be better

Choke, yes, but I'm pretty sure bbt has a non-relative portion as well. There are extremely few abilities that are entirely max-health based.

For abilities that are entirely max-health based, having more health actually hurts you, since the sip formula has a constant part as well, so it doesn't completely scale with health. But the rarity of such abilities generally still makes having more health give you benefits.

Eld

Iocun said:

Eld said:

For things like bbt and choke, which are purely a percentage of your max health, receptive body should be better

Choke, yes, but I'm pretty sure bbt has a non-relative portion as well. There are extremely few abilities that are entirely max-health based.

Hm, I thought bbt was, but maybe not. In any case, those were the only two I could think of, so certainly agreed that it's very few.

Iocun

Well, enfeeble is obviously entirely health based, but in that case it's not max health but current health (so it's actually beneficial to try to get enfeebled at not-so-high health and sipping immediately after).

Not quite sure about mind crush - I think the mana part of it is, but the health part maybe not. Total max-mana dependence seems to be much more common than total max-health dependence.

Rispok

Talonia said:

@Eld, I think you mean Robust will increase the damage you take from many adventurer attacks. Denizen attacks (as far as I know) do not typically scale with health or have a percentage-based component. Else, bashing things we used to in levels 40-50 might still be dangerous at later levels, which obviously isn't true. 

It varies, just not by as large an amount. When I go hunting somewhere and have 10k health, I take 2000 damage per hit, when I have 7k health, I take 1700 damage (numbers originally located in my rectum).

The amount of the damage that is maxhp based is much smaller, but it does seem to be there still.

Achilles

Rispok said:

Talonia said:

@Eld, I think you mean Robust will increase the damage you take from many adventurer attacks. Denizen attacks (as far as I know) do not typically scale with health or have a percentage-based component. Else, bashing things we used to in levels 40-50 might still be dangerous at later levels, which obviously isn't true. 

It varies, just not by as large an amount. When I go hunting somewhere and have 10k health, I take 2000 damage per hit, when I have 7k health, I take 1700 damage (numbers originally located in my rectum).

The amount of the damage that is maxhp based is much smaller, but it does seem to be there still.

Couldn't that have to do with your armour?  Fullplate better than dragonarmour.