Combat Logs

Tvistor

Miz-train more dangerous than all of Hashan. This is not a fair trade.

Cooper

How long ago was it that Hashan stated they were just going around backstab ganking any of the smaller people that raided while they avoided people like Sothantos/Silas/me?

How many pretty much non-comms have you guys ganked now?

And now you bitch when a few Refugees who have been ganked while bashing or for no reason have asked others to gank you guys back.

Pretty hilarious hypocrisy.

Daslin

@Cooper wait, I've not been following these turn of events. So. Hashan started ganking? Scuse me while I lol a bit.

And then whines when ganked back? Oh GOD can we just delete Hashan now?

DONT GANK AND EXPECT NO REPRECUSSIONS.

Simple as that.

Naga please.

Cooper

Yeah, they ganked people like Ceer and Beatrice (and a lot of others). You know, the people that raid and attack them all the time.

Mizik

Yeah, but to be fair, - Beatrice.

Cahin

Beatrice, Queen of the Web Tattoo

Iphis

Cahin said:

Beatrice, Queen of the Web Tattoo

That's funny, considering Delphinus is the King of said Tattoo.

Cahin

Delphinus and Beatrice sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

Darklyre

Cahin said:

Delphinus and Beatrice sitting in a tree. W-E-B-B-I-N-G.

Fixed.

Iocun

Hot.

Dunn

Nnnnnnngh.

Manifest

Caladbolg said:

(4784h|100%)(2989m|92%)(19726e|89%|11113w|74%)(S)(mir)(Lightning)(Manifest)(apply mending to legs)(-124m, 3.8%)
With a vicious snarl Manifest carves a merciless swathe through your steaming guts. You gurgle and choke as he withdraws his
dripping blade, glistening with gore. (3.75s)
(3041h|63%)(2989m|92%)(19726e|89%|11113w|74%)(S)(mir)(Lightning)(Manifest)(outr 1 potash)(-1743h, 36.4%)

That shit is dumb as fuck.

Achilles

DSB without torso damage so weak.  Artied kai choke and stormhammer does just as much

Dunn

Wouldn't have died to a level 1 torso dsb anyways. Only does like ~76% and he was full. Need that predamage.

Garao

37% without (I assume) torso at what strength against a blademaster in Mir? Hm. Though blademaster is pretty stupid still, dat shit better be getting the nerf bat when classleads are implemented sometime in 2014.

Dunn

2015. Stop being so hopeful it's disgusting.

Mishgul

I miss classleads. They leave a shallam sized hole in my heart.

Antonius

I haven't been online for any of the Hashan raids, but from the reported numbers if Shallam were to take an "equal" raiding force there's absolutely no reason for them to go if they enter the city itself.

That small a group makes killing guards tricky, if not impossible. No ability to sanction means no room destruction. No experience loss for the defenders means no gain for the raiders. Hashan has made it clear that they don't really care about shrines being destroyed. I'm not sure how there being absolutely no gain is supposed to make raiding inside the city fun, to be honest.

Even if Shallam does start taking smaller groups (and I can't comment on whether they should or need to do so), I doubt you're going to see them actually entering the city.

Garao

Everyone wants to win.

Jacen

I think this illustrates the point that *shallam isn't looking for fun or to help build Hashan up through conflict, but just looking to grief/squash/farm xp out of the whole deal. 

Garao

Hashan should be wanting to help build Hashan up through conflict, the responsibility does not fall to *shallam to make that happen. I agree with the latter albeit it necessary restraint has been showed by *shallam. *shallam wants Hashan to concede defeat, they've said that several times already. They aren't going to -let- you win and after years of being trounced by Ashtan they are definitely not going to be willing to lay down and let you beat them, get that idea out of your head.

Someone should give this discussion its own thread already.

Silas

I know that my day isn't complete until I've griefed at least 5 Hashani.

Jacen

Hashan doesn't expect to win. We're not total idiots, we understood this. 

I compare all this to the little war Draqoom and Caladbolg waged on the Lotus. I showed total restraint, discouraging 2v1, forbidding 3v1 and 3v2. It was all well and good until they started sending me letters about how they were kicking our asses, claiming to win the war and all that. That's when I brought the House down on them. 

As long as Hashan isn't making public posts about kicking *Shallam's ass, then keep the fighting fair. That's how I play the game. Then again, its been made very clear here that I'm a much nicer guy than most people.

Antonius

Jacen said:

I think this illustrates the point that *shallam isn't looking for fun or to help build Hashan up through conflict, but just looking to grief/squash/farm xp out of the whole deal. 

You don't seem to be looking for fun for the other side either, considering you want them to put themselves in a position where there's literally nothing tangible for them to gain. Can you honestly say that, even with equal numbers, Hashan's going to provide a fight that's enjoyable enough to justify only being able to come out measurably worse than when you went in?

Jacen

Considering I've netted -40% in this conflict and I'm still gung ho about raiding, even when I'm on cripple duty, I dont see the problem, no.

I'd like to see net xp comparison's from both sides, really.

Caladbolg

Manifest said:

Caladbolg said:

(4784h|100%)(2989m|92%)(19726e|89%|11113w|74%)(S)(mir)(Lightning)(Manifest)(apply mending to legs)(-124m, 3.8%)
With a vicious snarl Manifest carves a merciless swathe through your steaming guts. You gurgle and choke as he withdraws his
dripping blade, glistening with gore. (3.75s)
(3041h|63%)(2989m|92%)(19726e|89%|11113w|74%)(S)(mir)(Lightning)(Manifest)(outr 1 potash)(-1743h, 36.4%)

That shit is dumb as fuck.

I thought the curare/pref x3 then lunge was kinda dumb

Jacen said:

Hashan doesn't expect to win. We're not total idiots, we understood this. 

I compare all this to the little war Draqoom and Caladbolg waged on the Lotus. I showed total restraint, discouraging 2v1, forbidding 3v1 and 3v2. It was all well and good until they started sending me letters about how they were kicking our asses, claiming to win the war and all that. That's when I brought the House down on them. 

As long as Hashan isn't making public posts about kicking *Shallam's ass, then keep the fighting fair. That's how I play the game. Then again, its been made very clear here that I'm a much nicer guy than most people.

We were doing fine 3v3 and 3v4 until you started crying to the sentinels that Baatti was helping us.

Was doing mostly fine 3v2 also.

Jacen said:

Considering I've netted -40% in this conflict and I'm still gung ho about raiding, even when I'm on cripple duty, I dont see the problem, no.

I'd like to see net xp comparison's from both sides, really.

For the total im at 0% (don't have vision of course) But most of my exp was coming from 1v1 fights and I don't usually get kills in raids as a blademaster.

Xer

Jacen said:

Considering I've netted -40% in this conflict and I'm still gung ho about raiding, even when I'm on cripple duty, I dont see the problem, no.

I'd like to see net xp comparison's from both sides, really.

I'm not joining in the conversation on either side, but in response to this, I would like to note that during the war with Ashtan, my net exp was -500% >.> Low 83 to low 78. -40% isn't that bad at all, but my expectations are highly abnormal probably so don't take my opinions that seriously if you think otherwise <.< Someone's going to be losing out on exp at the end of the day, unless you die in your own city.

EDIT: I also don't think that Ashtan was going overboard on me in particular. Won't speak for anyone else, but for me, I don't think much restraint was shown, but it definitely wasn't overboard either <.<

Entaro

An arrow comes speeding up from the ground below and buries itself in you.

An arrow comes speeding up from the ground below and buries itself in you.

You swoop down on Zaldin below, who kicks and screams in resistance as your firm talons grasp him 

and lift him swiftly with you up into the skies.

6117h, 6474m, 32080e, 30313w e-

You have recovered balance on all limbs. (4.374s)

An arrow comes speeding up from the ground below and buries itself in you.

You track Nemutaur to Before the gate of Ashtan.

Zaldin follows you northeast.

Flying above Before the gate of Ashtan (road).

The stars twinkle in the clear night sky.

You begin to descend, the wind whistling past you as the earth draws ever closer. You land easily, 

back on the ground again.

You release your vice-like grip on Zaldin.

Before the gate of Ashtan (road).

The stars twinkle in the clear night sky. A runic totem is planted solidly in the ground. A small 

nugget of gold lies abandoned upon the ground.  Daijin Nemutaur Rousseau is here.

You see exits leading north and south.

You tell Daijin Nemutaur Rousseau, "My kill."

[TARGET] Target is now zaldin

You are not the member of any party.

You rub some kalmia on your wickedly sharp claws.

Lunging forward with long, flashing claws extended, you tear into the flesh of Zaldin's right leg.

Zaldin eats a piece of kelp.

You conjure up your illusion towards Zaldin.

A look of extreme focus crosses the face of Zaldin.

Zaldin flaps his arms madly.

Zaldin takes a drink from a purple heartwood vial.

Zaldin eats a piece of kelp.

You conjure up your illusion towards Zaldin.

Zaldin is surrounded by a shining corona of blinding light and the shimmering image of the Eagle 

momentarily overlaps him.

Zaldin is surrounded by a shining corona of blinding light and the shimmering image of the Eagle 

momentarily overlaps him.

Zaldin closes his eyes, curls up into a ball and falls asleep.

You have recovered equilibrium. (0.955s)

Twisting to grasp Zaldin in your powerful jaws, you sink your teeth deep into his flesh before 

tossing his helpless body into the air and catching him once more in your teeth.

Zaldin wakes up with a gasp of pain.

You conjure up your illusion towards Zaldin.

Nemutaur takes a drink from a cedarwood vial.

A look of extreme focus crosses the face of Zaldin.

Zaldin stands up and stretches his arms out wide.

Zaldin makes a strangled meowing noise and quickly shuts up, blushing.

Zaldin waggles his eyebrows comically.

You have recovered equilibrium. (0.949s)

You conjure up your illusion towards Zaldin.

Zaldin closes his eyes, curls up into a ball and falls asleep.

You have recovered equilibrium. (0.965s)

Zaldin begins to jerk and shake violently, foaming at the mouth.

You have recovered balance on all limbs. (3.541s)

Twisting to grasp Zaldin in your powerful jaws, you sink your teeth deep into his flesh before 

tossing his helpless body into the air and catching him once more in your teeth.

You have slain Zaldin.

Paybacks a bitch!

Vayne

Hashan is building up, the improvements I have seen internally in just the last week or so are promising. We are learning and starting to see the fruits of our labor bit by bit.

I am not sure why we would concede defeat to a group that sits on our borders and smudges totems though. That seems silly.

Lyr

Vayne said:

Hashan is building up, the improvements I have seen internally in just the last week or so are promising. We are learning and starting to see the fruits of our labor bit by bit.

I am not sure why we would concede defeat to a group that sits on our borders and smudges totems though. That seems silly.

Yeah, why don't we use our tanks to raid using the war system?

Oh wait.