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  • SantarSantar
    edited July 2014

    Ah right, it's just the gecko they can't sing? Might've been thinking of gecko/kalmia - That's the one they can't do for riftlocks and such, right? 

    The thing with Bard afflicting is that they need so many different afflictions, especially against some classes imo. For Serpent, you don't need to stack impatience using normal balance, while with Bard you do. The obvious advantage that Bard has in exchange is that they have impatience-on-demand, while Serps don't(they just get one chance).  Bards have a tough time giving verna too.


    And then if you compare Bard to Apsotates, apostates have nightmare/ghands/truestare, while anyone can just walk off/shield from a bard.


    Bard locking should be theoretically possible still since you -are- beating herb balance, but it's a little slow. Right now you're relying on gimmicks like minuet to get locks, though, which I don't think is that great of a mechanic.


    One thing that I've noticed that is very consistent is the complaining about songbird - Maybe you should file some classlead reports to get it made usable?

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  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    Strata said:
    Lilian said:
    Jhui said:
    ya it's hard to balance bard vs jester/occie and not completely cripple it vs other classes.

    and meanwhile bard has hard time with classes like priests/apostates. Isn't this part of the rock paper scissors paradime people love so much?

    That's a whole other discussion though. Priest/apostate curing is OP. Period.

    1. Grin 

    2. Force bedevil

    3. Unravel 

    4. Laugh balls off when you get tells saying "WTF DID YOU TO MY MUDLET."

    5. Get balls reattached.

    6. Explain to girlfriend why you'll never have kids.

    7. Enjoy single life.


    In all seriousness more than one classes just destroys occie and jester because our curing abilities require balance can we just fix that and move on? :(

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  • SantarSantar
    edited July 2014

    Occultist don't need a curing ability. Not every class was designed that way. Occultists have some of the most versatile crap in the game across the board. Passive curing isn't one of them.

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  • LilianLilian
    Santar said:


    One thing that I've noticed that is very consistent is the complaining about songbird - Maybe you should file some classlead reports to get it made usable?

    I did classlead it last round actually. It's why it's eq cost is 2 seconds. One of the options I mentioned was making it either 100% work since it had timer and a long EQ time. But a concern was the potential for to much burst affs.

  • TerraTerra

    Oh. I wasn't complaining about songbird. I think it's perfectly fine as is, with the way bard currently is. It'd be OP for bard to have even more affliction power. It's just not meant to be a strong ability.

    If Minuet were nerfed, then 100% songbird could compensate, though. Voice balance being like 2.5 seconds would help a lot too.


  • SantarSantar
    Here's what happens when you don't take me seriously:

    28) Talysin told You: Ok fight to burst?
    29) You told Talysin: No, I fight till you soul.
    30) Talysin told You: Lol ok.
    31) You told Talysin: You can runaway at burst if you want.
    33) Talysin told You: Oh pff.
    34) Talysin told You: Well then, I guess you'll have to pray.
    35) You told Talysin: Ok.

    Fight starts at 17:03:08:426

    During fight:

    The corners of Talysin's mouth turn up as he grins mischievously.

    Talysin chuckles long and heartily.

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Cute."

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Illusions?"


    Truelock achieved at 17:03:33:718

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Oh fuck."


    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Well fuck me I guess."


    The puppet of you (made by Talysin) no longer exists.

    Talysin begins to convulse, and as his mouth opens in a silent scream, you hear 

    a loud snapping as his back shatters from the sheer force of the spasms.

    You have slain Talysin.





    He needs to come up with better lines for while -he's- the one waiting on voyria. ^_^

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  • TerraTerra

    Lilian said:
    Jhui said:
    ya it's hard to balance bard vs jester/occie and not completely cripple it vs other classes.

    and meanwhile bard has hard time with classes like priests/apostates. Isn't this part of the rock paper scissors paradime people love so much?


    Eh. Bard is hands down the best affliction class against priest. Possibly against apostate too.

    Love my bard. :(

  • LilianLilian
    edited July 2014
    Well you are better at bard then I. I have to much trouble getting past their rebound or hinder rate for my stuff to be effective, ontop of if they touch tree or shield. I managed to get lucky and get Drual once, but that's been my only priest win with a lock instead of sing confusion/force restore

    edit: also I love bard too, it's why I haven't quit despite getting frustrated at some things. IE: Rebound (I really have been trying to work in locking around this, but I have to use that three jab method and break their tree before and just hope I don't get hindered long enough to have to restart.)
  • TalysinTalysin
    Santar said:
    Here's what happens when you don't take me seriously:

    28) Talysin told You: Ok fight to burst?
    29) You told Talysin: No, I fight till you soul.
    30) Talysin told You: Lol ok.
    31) You told Talysin: You can runaway at burst if you want.
    33) Talysin told You: Oh pff.
    34) Talysin told You: Well then, I guess you'll have to pray.
    35) You told Talysin: Ok.

    Fight starts at 17:03:08:426

    During fight:

    The corners of Talysin's mouth turn up as he grins mischievously.

    Talysin chuckles long and heartily.

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Cute."

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Illusions?"


    Truelock achieved at 17:03:33:718

    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Oh fuck."


    Talysin says in an oddly feminine voice, "Well fuck me I guess."


    The puppet of you (made by Talysin) no longer exists.

    Talysin begins to convulse, and as his mouth opens in a silent scream, you hear 

    a loud snapping as his back shatters from the sheer force of the spasms.

    You have slain Talysin.





    He needs to come up with better lines for while -he's- the one waiting on voyria. ^_^

    You have slain Santar.

  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USA

    Santar already said it, but my only issue with Minuet is that it gives no message to the target when it works. Someone unfamiliar with Bard would have absolutely no idea what was happening, and as this thread shows, even experienced combatants that know about it miss it unless they have a bunch of "if FightingBard then" highlights for mundane actions like salve applications and Tree touches. If you knew when Minuet was happening to you, or had a heads-up like snap or Heirophant, it would be easier to deal with.

    Other than that, I don't have any major issue with Bard. Lilian and I usually time out against each other, and that log she posted was after fighting for about 7-10 minutes in a Rampage? We'd been going a while, and usually we go for longer. I died because I didn't focus impatience/weariness and couldn't shield at the time, not because Bard is unstoppable. I guess I need to go outside and fight Xinna to round out my perspective.

    -- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
  • TalysinTalysin

    Santar's back has broken under convulsions caused by Soldier Talysin Moonflair, Ward of the Dawnblade's voyria venom.


    You are ignored by:

    Santar


  • CahinCahin

    The context that I'm sure is missing is you being persistently annoying or creepy.


  • TalysinTalysin

    Rude. No he couldn't handle me trash talking back to him.

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA

    In my experience fighting @Santar‌  is just a troll circlejerk.

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  • LilianLilian
    edited July 2014

    Santar appears from out of nowhere.

    Santar leaps from the shadows and plunges a dagger into your unsuspecting back!

    Your insomnia has cleared up.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17057e, 16567w  | bex v | (15:21:39.549) | (-1833h, 36.3%) 

    Admiral Santar Darkwind, King of the Jungle says, "Party time!"

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17057e, 16567w  | bex v | (15:21:39.565) | 

    You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17057e, 16567w  | bex v | (15:21:39.576) | 


    Santar points a finger at you and you feel anti-magic sweep over you.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17057e, 16567w  | bex v | (15:21:39.601) | 

    You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16567w  | bex v | (15:21:40.015) | 

    You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:41.300) | 

    You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:41.665) | 

    Santar pricks you twice in rapid succession with his dirk.

    You feel incredibly tired, and fall asleep immediately.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:41.819) | 

    You swoon as you suffer a toxic relapse.

    Your vision is flooded with light, and your face suddenly reddens.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:41.918) | 

    You are no longer stunned. (2.481s)

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:42.030) | (wake up)

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:42.145) | 

    You begin your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:42.257) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:42.397) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:42.841) | 


    You continue your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:43.265) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    3210h(63%), 4468m(100%), 17067e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:43.420) | 

    An arrow flies in towards you.

    It strikes you, gouging a deep and bloody wound.

     ----------------------- 

    |     SHOT! | SHOT!     |

     ----------------------- 

    You are jerked awake by the pain.

    You feel incredibly tired, and fall asleep immediately. (2.018s)

    1957h(38%), 4468m(100%), 17104e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:43.836) | (wake up)(-1253h, 24.8%) 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    1957h(38%), 4468m(100%), 17104e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:43.946) | 

    You begin your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    1957h(38%), 4468m(100%), 17104e, 16573w  | bex v | (15:21:44.074) | 

    You continue your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    1957h(38%), 4468m(100%), 17104e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:44.991) | 

    You bleed 143 health.

    1814h(35%), 4468m(100%), 17104e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:45.095) | (-143h, 2.8%) 

    You continue your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    2166h(42%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:46.015) | (+352h, 7.0%) 

    An arrow flies in towards you.

    It strikes you, gouging a deep and bloody wound.

     ----------------------- 

    |     SHOT! | SHOT!     |

     ----------------------- 

    You are jerked awake by the pain.

    You feel incredibly tired, and fall asleep immediately. (2.488s)

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:46.324) | (wake up)(-1253h, 24.8%) 

    You begin your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:46.450) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:46.634) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:47.015) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:47.267) | 


    You continue your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17124e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:47.553) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17161e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:47.762) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17161e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:48.062) | 

    You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17161e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:48.392) | 

    You continue your struggle to escape from the dreamworld.

    913h(18%), 4468m(100%), 17161e, 16579w  | bex v | (15:21:48.499) | 


    An arrow flies in towards you.

    It strikes you, gouging a deep and bloody wound.

     ----------------------- 

    |     SHOT! | SHOT!     |

     ----------------------- 

    Unable to withstand the arrow piercing your chest, you stumble to the ground as darkness overtakes 

    you.

    You have been slain by Santar.


    note toself: keep metawake up

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA

    95% of Santar kills are avoidable by meta wake and only dueling in the arena

    #friendsdontletfriendsdietoSantar

    #gankersagainstbstab

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  • LilianLilian
    My fault for being in Annwyn, but my friend and I are racing to level 84.. Theeey have membership bonus, I don't. It was the only way I was gonna catch up and keep up to have a chance to win. Freaking Santar :(

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    Lilian said:
    My fault for being in Annwyn, but my friend and I are racing to level 84.. Theeey have membership bonus, I don't. It was the only way I was gonna catch up and keep up to have a chance to win. Freaking Santar :(

    Nifty little trick I learned. If you don't have a veil, periodically either do touch brazier Santar or tell Santar hey there.

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  • TalysinTalysin
    Jinsun said:
    Lilian said:
    My fault for being in Annwyn, but my friend and I are racing to level 84.. Theeey have membership bonus, I don't. It was the only way I was gonna catch up and keep up to have a chance to win. Freaking Santar :(

    Nifty little trick I learned. If you don't have a veil, periodically either do touch brazier Santar or tell Santar hey there.

    Or puppet spy!

  • RomRom

    I'd hate to be the one to tell you guys about Phase. :o

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  • AtalkezAtalkez
    You don't find Santar. 

    Santar finds you.





    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA

    lol yeah won't work for phase so I generally kept metawake up, the tell trick caught him enough times that he threatened to issue me for "abuse" though .

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  • TeshaTesha
    It is kind of lame and last I heard about an issue reply on the topic, admin don't care about people abusing it.

    You can counter it by doing tellsoff. 

     i'm a rebel

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    edited July 2014
    Tesha said:
    It is kind of lame and last I heard about an issue reply on the topic, admin don't care about people abusing it.

    You can counter it by doing tellsoff. 

    Oh it's definitely pretty lame but I was young and new to combat and I had this weirdo following me around telling me he was going to make me quit mark. Ahhh the good ole days!

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  • TerraTerra

    Strata said:

    Terra said:

    Serpent so good at locking. Can lock just as fast as bard.

    Not sure why a serpent with a Thoth's fang thinks otherwise. Sry Strata.

    Because I'm not a robot. I don't think only in terms of mechanics. The mechanics show "Serpent so good at locking. Can lock just as fast as bard." Indeed they do. Mechanics... are just mechanics. DOR TOUCH SHIELD is a mechanic too.



    I don't understand your distinction between "mechanics" and "real combat." Everything is a part of combat mechanics.

    I know affliction combat and when I say serpent is good at truelocking, I am already taking shield into account. DOR TOUCH SHIELD isn't a combat mechanic though. You'd have to actually attack -sometime- to engage in combat. Shielding after every attack while slow prepping, sure. Thoth's fang can beat that.

  • StrataStrata United States of Derp
    My distinction is as follows:
    Mechanics = pretty much anything Jovolo and Daeir talk about on forums.
    Real combat = I jump someone and they DOR TOUCH SHIELD or PT DELIVER.

    I'm getting better at the 2nd thing listed. Usually when an opponent is shielding after every attack while slow prepping, if I haven't locked through it by the time I'm prepped, then as a serpent it is expected of me to forfeit the fight and come back when the prep resets. If it's puppet/doll, off to a ship until it decays. If they're sylvan or a passive curer, I'm usually not 1v1ing them so if the gank fails, I leave. There's no shame in denying slow-prepping turtles a guaranteed chance at making end-moves. There's also no shame in avoiding endless t-fang flailing at server-side curing + priest or apostate curing unless they're someone cool like Kellonius, Herenicus, or Xer. If you're Jester/Shaman and you enter room, do 1 fashion, leave room - fight is over. Aint nobody got time fo dat. Go do your lolfashion on elsewhere.

  • CynlaelCynlael

    How about two fashions? Would you stay and fight then? :open_mouth: 

  • TalysinTalysin

    3 and a hangedman?

  • NaahNaah

    I never 'dor touch shield' against you Strata. :'( I tried to fight you to then end!


    You stopped jumping me. O' how I reminisce the days of Naah's adolescence.

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/e2b7bccd

    Another, @Santar‌  kill with awesome roleplay.

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