Combat Logs

Tharvis

oh I knew it wouldn't take effect if the weapon was already envenomed (says so literally in the help scroll) just didn't know about those absolutely worthless afflictions that is also seems to be able to give

Rexia

Sena said:

With a Thoth's Fang and nimble, you can fit 3 jabs in for every temper (~1.5s balance, about the same as wracking a specific affliction on a tempered humour), without needing any tempered humours first, and while doing damage and having a larger pool of afflictions to choose from. So the affliction speed itself doesn't change, you can just reach that speed faster and do more with it. That's 3 afflictions every 4.5 seconds.

I'm not sure on the details of the torc (or mind paralyse/stupidity).

If you inundate phlegmatic, you can increase your affliction rate (to 4 afflictions every 4.5 seconds, or 3 afflictions every 4 seconds), and tempering choleric or phlegmatic can slow the opponent's curing a bit.

Does Thoth's Fang just ignore rebounding? I'd assume that slows it down somewhat if it doesn't. I mean I guess it has the benefit of doing damage at the same time (and presumably increasing bleeding?), but in terms of affliction speed it seems slightly suboptimal.

Dunn

T fang single affliction delivery speed is unrivaled.

Edit: I lied. Maybe reflexed handaxe (good speed).

Antonius

Thoth's Fang hits rebounding, but that's not such a huge issue for a class whose offense is designed not to be affected by rebounding. If your opponent is at least trying to get their own offense in the longest they'll have rebounding is likely to be, at best, roughly the balance time of their standard attack. You can easily switch to an ability that isn't stopped by rebounding if necessary, not losing much of the progress you've made via the dirk, then switch back to jabs when they attack to drop rebounding again.

Jovolo

And curses, but that's it I think... Affliction speed is not suboptimal heh. You have an 8 second window to hit them with it, and it's only one method. Torc bypasses both shield and rebounding, and you can easily switch up to truewrack considering you had an 8 second window to let loose with afflictions of t fang. If they have rebounding up, it also means they aren't hitting you. If they havve shield up, you can temper through shield and phlogisticate if they're making a habit of shielding. So yeah it's pretty decent.

Rexia

Jovolo said:

And curses, but that's it I think... Affliction speed is not suboptimal heh. You have an 8 second window to hit them with it, and it's only one method. Torc bypasses both shield and rebounding, and you can easily switch up to truewrack considering you had an 8 second window to let loose with afflictions of t fang. If they have rebounding up, it also means they aren't hitting you. If they havve shield up, you can temper through shield and phlogisticate if they're making a habit of shielding. So yeah it's pretty decent.

Can you give some numbers on how fast the equilibrium for the torc is please?

Also, didn't Sena just establish that the affliction rate doesn't actually increase with the t-fang, but you do start off a bit faster? By the time you can truewrack, it's just been left in the dust.

Edit: Does anyone happen to know how much damage/bleeding a thoth's fang causes (assuming 12 strength and trans weaponry)?

Jovolo

Torc is 1.5 for paralyse and .9 for mind stupidity. They bypass shield and rebounding.

Thoth's is faster, technically, especially over the course of a fight. You can begin with speeds that equal what you would typically spend 8 seconds trying to achieve (Tempering sanguine). Coincidentally, this is the timer on rebounding. Almost. Furthermore, you have a wider variety of afflictions to actually choose from with Thoth's fang. It has the additional benefits of also doing damage and being able to break limbs, but the Torc has a higher affliction speed, yeah. Either way, you're better off with one of the two in terms of affliction speed and/or variety in effective tactics.

Rexia

Jovolo said:

Torc is 1.5 for paralyse and .9 for mind stupidity. They bypass shield and rebounding.

Thoth's is faster, technically, especially over the course of a fight. You can begin with speeds that equal what you would typically spend 8 seconds trying to achieve (Tempering sanguine). Coincidentally, this is the timer on rebounding. Almost. Furthermore, you have a wider variety of afflictions to actually choose from with Thoth's fang. It has the additional benefits of also doing damage and being able to break limbs, but the Torc has a higher affliction speed, yeah. Either way, you're better off with one of the two in terms of affliction speed and/or variety in effective tactics.

Thanks for the numbers. Torc is insanely fast, I had no idea!

Jhui

those torc speeds are for quick-witted btw, but fairly close with nimble

Dunn

With or without Diadem?

Jhui

DONT TROLL ME.

WITH

Rexia

Sooo...who wants to give me 1500 credits for a thoth's fang then?

Dunn

Find a fast dagger and save yourself the credits.

Sena

Rexia said:

Also, didn't Sena just establish that the affliction rate doesn't actually increase with the t-fang, but you do start off a bit faster? By the time you can truewrack, it's just been left in the dust.

Without sacrificing temper speed, truewrack isn't any faster than Thoth's Fang (or specific wracks on a tempered humour). In the 4.5 seconds temper takes, you can fit one truewrack and one wrack, or three wracks/jabs, so it's 3 afflictions with or without truewrack (but truewrack has the advantage of being able to give random (and thus no specific message) afflictions without the increased balance cost).

Truewrack can be faster if you also delay each temper by about half a second, so you can do 1 temper and 4 afflictions in 5 seconds, instead of 1 temper and 3 affliction in 4.5 seconds. I wouldn't exactly call that "left in the dust", it's just a nice option if you need afflictions more than fluids. Thoth's Fang can also match that (4 jabs in 5s) if it's runed.

Edit: Looking at the balance times again, if you're inundating instead of tempering, truewrack+wrack does let you fit 3 afflictions in the 4s inundate balance. In that case, Thoth's Fang does lose out, unless it's runed.

Rexia

Sena said:

Rexia said:

Also, didn't Sena just establish that the affliction rate doesn't actually increase with the t-fang, but you do start off a bit faster? By the time you can truewrack, it's just been left in the dust.

Without sacrificing temper speed, truewrack isn't any faster than Thoth's Fang (or specific wracks on a tempered humour). In the 4.5 seconds temper takes, you can fit one truewrack and one wrack, or three wracks/jabs, so it's 3 afflictions with or without truewrack (but truewrack has the advantage of being able to give random (and thus no specific message) afflictions without the increased balance cost).

Truewrack can be faster if you also delay each temper by about half a second, so you can do 1 temper and 4 afflictions in 5 seconds, instead of 1 temper and 3 affliction in 4.5 seconds. I wouldn't exactly call that "left in the dust", it's just a nice option if you need afflictions more than fluids. Thoth's Fang can also match that (4 jabs in 5s) if it's runed.

Edit: Looking at the balance times again, if you're inundating instead of tempering, truewrack+wrack does let you fit 3 afflictions in the 4s inundate balance. In that case, Thoth's Fang does lose out, unless it's runed.

Hmm, it's not as much of a difference as I'd expected though. That's pretty cool to know.

Caladbolg

Rangor said:

So what's the affliction potential for the different classes out there now?

As sentinel I got venoms every 0.7 secs on throw balance. Passive butterfly+lemming. + Darts if someone chases me. +targeted so limb breaks after 6-7 econds.

What's the serpent/occie/knight/apostate/shaman/alchemist affliction per second look like these days?

Wasn't asked but Bm with a level 3 band and in thyr stance can afflict once every .9 seconds with a .5 second stun (assuming no rebounding and you hit the target) Can't do anything besides riftlock by it's self however. (at least that i've found)

Unless you count draining the targets mana to 0  then locking to stop focus, but moon tattoo/ not many people clot to 0 mana make it difficult to do.

For about a 1.5-1.7 second and no stun you can have a chance to afflict with Flame,Chill,Epilepsy, or strip a defense. hitting rebounding knocks the speed down to about 2.0 or higher however. 

Seragorn

Aussie ping for the win.. this is that very rare situation where being slightly slower payed off.

Iskla wanders into view directly below.
Bronislav wanders into view directly below.
Silas wanders into view directly below.
Edris wanders into view directly below.
Garis wanders into view directly below.
Hanley wanders into view directly below.
Will wanders into view directly below.
Sothantos wanders into view directly below.
[13:42:47.035] 10019(100%)h 7252(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -
  (Party): Kross says, "Iskla, Silas, Edris, Garis, Hanley, Will and Sothantos (7) ENTERED
Targossas!"
[13:42:47.455] 10019(100%)h 7252(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -
  Circling slowly through the air, Hirst begins to heave mightily, taking in an audible rush of air
as his ribcage visibly expands, eyes locked unblinkingly on his targets below.
[13:42:47.914] 10019(100%)h 7237(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -(-15m, 0.1%)
Hirst takes a long drag off his pipe.
[13:42:47.933] 10019(100%)h 7237(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -
Havyn wanders into view directly below.
Daeir wanders into view directly below.
Niraaeth wanders into view directly below.
Davio wanders into view directly below.
[13:42:47.960] 10019(100%)h 7237(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -rain
Breathrain
(Party): Jhui says, "TARGET Sothantos."
[13:42:48.401] 10019(100%)h 7237(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cexkdb -
  Circling slowly through the air, you heave mightily, taking in an audible rush of air as your
ribcage visibly expands. Your eyes lock unblinkingly on the pitiful creatures below as you prepare
to destroy them.
[13:42:48.856] ****[BREATHRAINING]****
[13:42:48.863] 10019(100%)h 7237(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
(Party): Kross says, "CHOKED Sothantos."
[13:42:49.296] 10019(100%)h 7222(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -(-15m, 0.1%)
Jhui wanders out of sight from below you.
[13:42:49.307] 10019(100%)h 7222(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
(Party): Jhui says, "Traveled to Dunn at Harbour Way outside a small bar."
[13:42:49.318] 10019(100%)h 7222(71%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
(Party): Dunn says, "Sothantos breathstreamed s."
[13:42:50.182] 10019(100%)h 7075(70%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -(-147m, 1.5%)
(Party): Nemutaur says, "Sothantos BREATHSTREAMED."
[13:42:50.195] 10019(100%)h 7075(70%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
  Hirst opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great tempest of lightning down upon
the ground below.
[13:42:50.681] 10019(100%)h 7075(70%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
(Party): Dortheron says, "Choked Sothantos."
[13:42:51.118] 10019(100%)h 7075(70%)m 99%e 81%w 2.4(2) cekdb -
  As the strain on your inflated lungs reaches extremity, you open your glistening, tooth-lined maw
wide and rain a great tempest of lightning down upon the ground below.
You have slain Jonesey.
[SLAIN] Jonesey
[13:42:52.013] ****[Jonesey - KILLED]****
[13:42:52.015] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.5(2) cekdb -(sip mentality)(-1000m, 9.9%)
You have slain Iskla.
[SLAIN] Iskla
[13:42:52.032] ****[Iskla - KILLED]****
[13:42:52.034] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.6(2) cekdb -
You have slain Garis.
[SLAIN] Garis
[13:42:52.054] ****[Garis - KILLED]****
[13:42:52.056] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You have slain Will.
[SLAIN] Will
[13:42:52.071] ****[Will - KILLED]****
In the name of the City of Ashtan, you sanction a raid against your enemies in Targossas!
[13:42:52.077] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You have slain Havyn.
[SLAIN] Havyn
[13:42:52.093] ****[Havyn - KILLED]****
[13:42:52.095] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You have slain Daeir.
[SLAIN] Daeir
[13:42:52.110] ****[Daeir - KILLED]****
[13:42:52.112] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
Sothantos dies gasping for breath, asphyxiated by the power of Sempai Kross Da'Navi's kai.
[13:42:52.123] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
Hirst's eyes begin to blaze dangerously.
[13:42:52.375] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(Party): Kross says, "CHOKED Sothantos."
[13:42:52.387] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(Party): Kross says, "Sothantos SLAIN!!!"
[13:42:52.400] 10019(100%)h 6277(62%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You take a drink from a cedarwood vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
[13:42:52.826] 10019(100%)h 8163(80%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -(+1886m, 18.7%)
(Party): Taraus says, "Sothantos - Breathstreamed."
[13:42:52.846] 10019(100%)h 8163(80%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You have recovered balance on all limbs. (3.995s)
[13:42:52.857] 10019(100%)h 8163(80%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -(summon lightning)
Jonesey wanders out of sight from below you.
[13:42:52.869] 10019(100%)h 8163(80%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -
You feel your eyes begin to blaze as you summon lightning to your belly.
[13:42:53.132] 10019(100%)h 7863(77%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -(-300m, 3.0%)
Sothantos wanders out of sight from below you.
[13:42:53.585] 10019(100%)h 7863(77%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -
(Party): Nemutaur says, "TARGET Hanley."

[13:42:53.600] 10019(100%)h 7863(77%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -
Bronislav wanders out of sight from below you.
[13:42:54.023] 10019(100%)h 7848(77%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -(-15m, 0.1%)
  Circling slowly through the air, Hirst begins to heave mightily, taking in an audible rush of air
as his ribcage visibly expands, eyes locked unblinkingly on his targets below.
[13:42:54.470] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -(-146m, 1.4%)
Your lightning summoning is complete.
[13:42:54.929] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -
The radiant sun shines all about you.
[13:42:54.939] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -rain
Breathrain
(Party): Kross says, "CHOKED Sothantos."
[13:42:55.209] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 99%e 81%w 2.7(2) cexkdb -
  Circling slowly through the air, you heave mightily, taking in an audible rush of air as your
ribcage visibly expands. Your eyes lock unblinkingly on the pitiful creatures below as you prepare
to destroy them.
[13:42:55.221] ****[BREATHRAINING]****
[13:42:55.227] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
[13:42:55.662] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(Party): Dortheron says, "Choked Sothantos."
[13:42:56.091] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
[13:42:56.534] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
You may drink another health or mana elixir or tonic.
[13:42:56.974] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(who): Add (Dunn)
The air swirls violently as the Dragon Dunn flaps in from the north.
[here - Dunn (1)]
[13:42:57.051] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
  Circling slowly through the air, Dunn begins to heave mightily, taking in an audible rush of air
as his ribcage visibly expands, eyes locked unblinkingly on his targets below.
[13:42:57.076] 10019(100%)h 7702(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
  Hirst opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great tempest of lightning down upon
the ground below.
Silas falls to Eldritch General Hirst da'Miras, his body seared to a crisp by electric energy.
Silas has been slain by Hirst.
[13:42:57.683] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -(-4m, 0.0%)
Edris falls to Eldritch General Hirst da'Miras, his body seared to a crisp by electric energy.
Edris has been slain by Hirst.
[13:42:57.701] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
Lothiac tells you, "Wow."
[13:42:58.107] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(Party): Hirst says, "Silas SLAIN!"
[13:42:58.119] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
Hirst takes a long drag off his pipe.
[13:42:58.131] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
(Party): Hirst says, "Edris SLAIN!"
[13:42:58.141] 10019(100%)h 7698(76%)m 98%e 81%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
  As the strain on your inflated lungs reaches extremity, you open your glistening, tooth-lined maw
wide and rain a great tempest of lightning down upon the ground below.
[13:42:58.551] 10019(100%)h 6558(64%)m 98%e 80%w 2.7(2) cekdb -(sip mentality)(-1140m, 11.3%)
Hirst's eyes begin to blaze dangerously.
[13:42:58.562] 10019(100%)h 6558(64%)m 98%e 80%w 2.7(2) cekdb -
Sothantos's life has been frozen and shattered by Archdragon Nemutaur Rousseau.

Niks

Props to Targ rescue team.

Dunn

Morthif arrives, following Davio.

Reonna arrives, following Davio.

Iskla arrives, following Davio.

Edris arrives, following Davio.

With a flash of dark steel and a flutter of crimson wings, a large armoured 

falcon swoops in from the west.

Antonius arrives, following Davio.

Aldair arrives, following Davio.

Carmell arrives, following Davio.

Seralle arrives, following Davio.

Szareine arrives, following Davio.

Avianca arrives, following Davio.

Havyn arrives, following Davio.

Davio arrives from the west.

That one? Was like half a second from enlightening you.

Jacen

So many newbs and noncoms, I'm amazed they could form a group that big.

Tesha

Poor @Niks. Hasn't been here to learn how aggressive and hostile the forums have become. Must be so confused.

Achilles

Tesha said:

Poor @Niks. Hasn't been here to learn how aggressive and hostile the forums have become. Must be so confused.

Forums have always been hostile.  If anything its more mellow lately.  

Bonko

Achilles said:

Tesha said:

Poor @Niks. Hasn't been here to learn how aggressive and hostile the forums have become. Must be so confused.

Forums have always been hostile.  If anything its more mellow lately.  

I'll rectify this with an obligatory Targ insult.

Melodie

That has got to be the ugliest man-woman with huge, unattractive breasts I've ever seen. :-/

Tesha

Bonko

Melodie said:

That has got to be the ugliest man-woman with huge, unattractive breasts I've ever seen. :-/

In the future please only respond in gif form. I've forgiven you this time and done you a favour by finding you a response in the approved gif format.

Edris

Jacen said:

So many newbs and noncoms, I'm amazed they could form a group that big.

Aren't you Hashani?

Shecks

Mizik said:

Morthif arrives, following Davio.

Reonna arrives, following Davio.

Iskla arrives, following Davio.

Edris arrives, following Davio.

With a flash of dark steel and a flutter of crimson wings, a large armoured 

falcon swoops in from the west.

Antonius arrives, following Davio.

Aldair arrives, following Davio.

Carmell arrives, following Davio.

Seralle arrives, following Davio.

Szareine arrives, following Davio.

Avianca arrives, following Davio.

Havyn arrives, following Davio.

Davio arrives from the west.

//stuff

//other stuff

rofl - this group is going places.  #hallsofmaya

Strata

Shecks said:

Mizik said:

Morthif arrives, following Davio.

Reonna arrives, following Davio.

Iskla arrives, following Davio.

Edris arrives, following Davio.

With a flash of dark steel and a flutter of crimson wings, a large armoured 

falcon swoops in from the west.

Antonius arrives, following Davio.

Aldair arrives, following Davio.

Carmell arrives, following Davio.

Seralle arrives, following Davio.

Szareine arrives, following Davio.

Avianca arrives, following Davio.

Havyn arrives, following Davio.

Davio arrives from the west.

//stuff

//other stuff

rofl - this group is going places.  #hallsofmaya

I see quite a few exceptionally artied/transed/competent fighters there.  Plus they were defending their home so that's typical.

And, oops. I just said something that makes sense... But you should probably still WTF and Abuse flag this because *I* said it. (below the line - you know the drill): __________________________________________

Jacen

And at least a couple notable combatants that aren't soldiers.