New trait changes

Berenene

Aktillum said:

Jelly cause I want sash + collar pretty bad but can't justify the 60 dmg per point of Int you get in return. And now I think I want Dex boots too, which is a pipe.dream cause I'm not loaded like that.

I used to be, but then I got a mortgage

Also, how do I get rid of all those unwanted quote boxes?

Antonius

Given the recent changes to Sawbones it's looking a lot more attractive, depending on the severity of the drawback. Does anybody know how much restore eq is increased by?

Iocun

Should be a flat increase of 1 second for all stages, I think.

Sena

Only checked 0-2 limbs (can't think of a way to break 3 or 4 on my own without finding a denizen to break them, and that sounds like a lot of work), but it's +1 second for those.

Achilles

Sena said:

Only checked 0-2 limbs (can't think of a way to break 3 or 4 on my own without finding a denizen to break them, and that sounds like a lot of work), but it's +1 second for those.

Just ask someone to trample you, that's easy to find.

Restore for Quad Breaks was 10.8s for me, 9.2 with Diadem/Talisman (nimble not quick-wit)

Iocun

Sena said:

Only checked 0-2 limbs (can't think of a way to break 3 or 4 on my own without finding a denizen to break them, and that sounds like a lot of work), but it's +1 second for those.

Bite yourself with epseth/epseth/epteth/epteth!

Iocun

Achilles said:

Restore for Quad Breaks was 10.8s for me, 9.2 with Diadem/Talisman (nimble not quick-wit)

I thought it was round second numbers all around without quick-witted and talisman. Like 3, 3, 6, 9, 10. (Three seconds per limb, with a minimum of 3 and capped at 10.) Might be a bit off though. My ping is so erratic that it's hard for me to get accurate balance test times.

Sena

Iocun said:

Bite yourself with epseth/epseth/epteth/epteth!

I don't have a serpent alt with restoration.

Synbios

How long is the balance recovery on the tweaked Sawbones?

Sena

Looks like 2.5 seconds.

You cast an discerning glance over Someone's limbs and find:
Head:          Perfect health
Torso:         Perfect health
Left arm:      Perfect health
Right arm:     Perfect health
Left leg:      Perfect health
Right leg:     Perfect health

Sena

Iocun said:

Should be a flat increase of 1 second for all stages, I think.

Finally got around to checking 3 and 4, it is just +1. So 4s/4s/7s/10s/11s equilibrium at 0/1/2/3/4 limbs crippled.

Xith

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Racial:   Mine Dweller

Level 20: Nimble                   

Level 30: Barter                   

Level 40: Island Trader            

Level 50: Light stepper            

Level 60: Marksman                 

Level 70: Fully fit                

Level 80: Agile                    

Level 90: Empty

It's jester time. And already enjoying the 25% discount from Island Trader.

Synbios

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Racial:   Mine Dweller

Level 20: Nimble                   

Level 30: Clean freak              

Level 40: Meticulous Care          

Level 50: Robust                   

Level 60: Master contemplator      

Level 70: Blissful ignorance       

Level 80: Aim to kill              

Level 90: Empty

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Key: Major Trait  Minor Trait

Unsure if it's a biased judgement, but I seem to be getting faster kills when I have Aim to Kill

Sena

I wish expert diagnoser let you check for defences as well as afflictions. That would be a hundred times more useful for me.

Antonius

I did some brief testing with Sawbones using both my Soulpiercers (90 damage) and testing rapiers (58 damage). Right now I'd approximate the relevant levels to be somewhere close to 40% (lightly), 60% (moderately), and 80% (heavily). I'll see what I can do later today or this weekend to get more data to help narrow those figures down, but they should be good enough as a starting point right now.

I've also raised a typo for the lines for mending and single restoration cured breaks to be switched around, since they're not consistent with the terminology used on diagnose. Mending is "broken" for limbprobe and "crippled" for diagnose, whereas single restoration is "crippled" for limbprobe and "partially damaged" for diagnose.

Sena

From Arador using a practice rapier (1/1/1 stats) against someone with 5137 health (41 hits to break):
0 hits: perfect health
1-10 hits: barely damaged
11-20 hits: lightly damaged
21-30 hits: moderately damaged
31-39 hits: heavily damaged
40 hits: nothing, just blank. Presumably bugged.
41 hits: break

So it seems it's just split evenly, 0-25% damage, 25-50%, 50-75%, 75-100%.

Antonius

My own data:

90 damage against 4661 health:
1 = barely
5 = lightly
7 = moderately
9 = heavily
12 = broken

58 damage against 4661 health:
1 = barely
6 = lightly
9 = moderately
12 = heavily
15 = broken

90 damage against 6281 health:
1 = barely
5 = lightly
9 = moderately
11 = heavily
14 = broken

58 damage against 6281 health:
1 = barely
7 = lightly
11 = moderately
15 = heavily
18 = broken

The values I got for "lightly damaged" are well above 25%.

Sena

Maybe the levels were changed when it was buffed to show all limbs. I have sawbones, if anyone wants to let me hit them for a while.

Eld

Antonius said:

My own data:

90 damage against 4661 health:
1 = barely
5 = lightly
7 = moderately
9 = heavily
12 = broken

58 damage against 4661 health:
1 = barely
6 = lightly
9 = moderately
12 = heavily
15 = broken

90 damage against 6281 health:
1 = barely
5 = lightly
9 = moderately
11 = heavily
14 = broken

58 damage against 6281 health:
1 = barely
7 = lightly
11 = moderately
15 = heavily
18 = broken

The values I got for "lightly damaged" are well above 25%.

Yes, by Sena's scheme lightly damaged would be 25-50%, which looks to be about consistent with your numbers.

Sena

Oh, that's right, it does all fit. I was thinking of lightly as 0-25%.

Edit: Or not.

Antonius

@Eld: If the threshold was 25% then the output of LIMBPROBE should have changed two slashes earlier in some of those tests, and one slash earlier in others. For those that were out by two, the slash in between is well within the 25-50% region (around 33.33%) but it's still only displaying as "barely damaged".

That's assuming that I need almost all of the limb damage provided from those slashes to break. If in reality I only needed a fraction of the final slash then the percentages are even higher. I went back and checked the data from some Soulpiercer limb break tests I conducted last October, looks like 4661 health is one of the lower amounts of health which would require 12 hits to break.

Eld

Antonius said:

@Eld: If the threshold was 25% then the output of LIMBPROBE should have changed two slashes earlier in some of those tests, and one slash earlier in others. For those that were out by two, the slash in between is well within the 25-50% region (between 33.33% and 40%) but it's still only displaying as "barely damaged".

That's assuming that I need almost all of the limb damage provided from those slashes to break. If in reality I only needed a fraction of the final slash then the percentages are even higher.

Yeah, you're right, I didn't look carefully at the numbers. It looks like most of those (except the third set) are consistent with 0-40%, 40-60%, 60-80%, 80-100%. I'll try to do some testing of my own a bit later.

Edit: Regarding the question of how much of the last slash is needed, it's not a huge difference (1/11-1/12 at most). My estimates of rough percentage ranges for the categories are based on picking a number in that range for % damage per hit and checking that the numbers are consistent.

Sena

1-29: Barely damaged
30-48: Lightly damaged
49-65: Moderately damaged
66-81: Heavily damaged
82: Crippled

Mizik

Nellaundra said:

I've probably asked this before, but what are the direct differences between Reinforced and Light Stepper?  Thinking about which major traits to grab.

I guess the biggest one is that Light Stepper wasn't deleted.

I'd go with Light Stepper.

Antonius

So roughly 35, 60 and 80%? That seems to match up with what I got as well.

Eld

Sena said:

1-29: Barely damaged
30-48: Lightly damaged
49-65: Moderately damaged
66-81: Heavily damaged
82: Crippled

So something like 0-37%, 37-60%, 60-80%, 80-100%?

Sena

Not sure exactly where lightly damaged starts. Could be anywhere from 35.37% to 37.04% (probably 36% or 37%, but it seems arbitrary enough that I wouldn't assume it's an integer) I think. I doubt anyone will actually need more precision than that, though. 60% and 80% for moderate and heavy seems obvious enough.

Eld

Sena said:

Not sure exactly where lightly damaged starts. Could be anywhere from 35.37% to 37.04% (probably 36% or 37%, but it seems arbitrary enough that I wouldn't assume it's an integer) I think. I doubt anyone will actually need more precision than that, though. 60% and 80% for moderate and heavy seems obvious enough.

Hm, not sure where I got 37, actually. Looks like it should be between 35.37 and 36.58, right?

Sena

Eld said:

Hm, not sure where I got 37, actually. Looks like it should be between 35.37 and 36.58, right?

It could be more than 36.58, if the number of hits required for the break is actually somewhere between 81 and 82.

Eld

Oh, right.