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Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
btw admins, thanks for this system. it's p cool.
I'm enjoying the new adventure system! Earning 5-10 credits a day is great for me, considering I'm a level 86 unartied Serp with 4060 hp lol. It's much more than I could have feasibly bashed for on my own in the same amount of time I sink into doing them. I cant handle the big stuff, but it's been great going out with citymates to hunt and cheesing the arena adventures. (Seriously admins, please don't fix them anymore, I totally get the minor change with the class specific kills or whatever, I just skip those, but most of the other arena ones are nice and doable even for someone who is completely inept at combat like me.)
Not sure how much my opinion counts considering I was truenew on Cere when I started, and still have plenty to learn.
I dunno, the cap is just that: a cap. I don't expect to get there, and the people that manage are probably the folks that least need it, but whatever, I don't ever expect to 'catch up' to the more hardcore folks running around with every artie they could possibly need, plus another half dozen I've never even heard of.
Another thing: I like to sail, the adventures listed for seafaring work in nice if I wanna voyage or do the rare decent ship trade, but I don't feel compelled to go sailing specifically because of the adventures. If I'm doing it anyway, it's just a layer of icing on the cake, and if it makes more people go sailing, then I guess that makes it sprinkles on top?
Could the new adventuring system use some work? Absolutely, sure! Am I grateful for it anyway? You betcha.
Maybe let us trade in the talisman pieces? But real talk, that's just from my own greed, and I get why it's not allowed.
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Edit! I wanna stay on topic: I hope they roll back the cap to 10 bound credits a day to ensure everyone can reach cap easily. That'd be the best route to take.
That seems to be something a true genius strives for.
On topic - The cap should be achievable by anyone, and everyone, willing to put in the work. Some people might have to work a little harder than others to do so, but saying people of a certain level deserve less than people that are 99+ is absurd. I've spent far more money on this game than I'm ever going to admit to anyone, and even I think new players should be given 'some' form of catch-up.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
I might be bias but I for real just re-read my first three posts and don't see anything in there that I'd consider insulting. Idk though cus some people are potatoes and some are eggs. 🤷🏻♂️
keeping it arduous so you can be lazy is ridiculous. If you are afraid of your escrow being made to look tiny you can also participate and push up those numbers. Just because the rest of us had to drop big $, or grind for weeks, or scrimp and save doesn’t mean new or unartied players should just get shunted. I would be more than happy to have few ways for me to cap easily and people with sub 5k escrow the ability to cap in 2 hours.
Stop worrying about what other people have, or can have or get, or that it sucked for you so it should suck for everyone else. That boomer mentality should be fucking buried, and if that upsets anyone, you are welcome to ping my inbox, I care about everyone being able to catch up to speed, and participate without massive time sinks, or join me sailing/raiding/rping/forays/exploring, not killing 20 different named mobs and curing off in the arena.
To any player who struggles to cap: hit me up IC or OOC, if I alone can make people depressed about the stature of their escrow, I’m all in, even my own.
Now, I DO admit the talismans and stuff only made the gulf and paywall that much higher, and this band-aid fixes some of it while allowing newbies and midbies to actually play a game that is advertised as "free to play" despite the obvious fact it is increasingly difficult to do so. Let's just keep it to constructive criticism of the system. I think it is more than fine as is and we don't need to be handing out 50cr a day or anything crazy. In its current capacity for bcr it is more than generous to what it was.
2: the stark difference is that no matter what little ones have, the system lets me have that too. Currently, though, even with 50k and level 138 I can cap my renown in an hour and gain gold, and potentially massive amounts of unbound through other means because of my already existing investments. This is fine, but some level 60 shouldn’t be spending 4 hours alone to cap, those bounds are going to unlock basic needs in the game ( skills ). Have you tried doing many of even normal adventures with 2.5k health and fabled tekura?
3. The only entitlement is the feeling that one’s investment is lessened because of others being able to earn the same through newer and more agreeable methods. The only thing I am entitled to is that I can share my opinions and wants for the game without the devs banning me simply for my thoughts. If you want to make sure those without have to struggle harder, fine, but I WILL call you out on it, and use reason as to why.
Nothing else in my post was refuted, and you still haven’t given any good reasons mechanically why smaller chars can’t also cap their renown in a more time efficient manner, they can’t cap at even 4x the speed i can, or you, or cobault, they can’t do some of the things i can to cap as well as drown myself in additional lucre. The request being made is that capping renown not be something you get for 15 mins, but have a much more diverse path for all, which at this time means the lower escrow/levelled players need more renown/renown earning conditions.
If you don’t want this changed, fine, say as much, but neither you nor cobault have bought up how such change would negatively impact the game, player retention, or how such things would be worse for players, only that said changes would make one feel “upset” that others can earn as much as they have now. Have that mindset if you want, but I will not feel abashed, nor guilty for calling it entitled or dumb.
As of right now, this change is actually going to broaden the gap between f2p and p2w. If the goal was to shrink the gap, lower levels would generate more renown than higher levels/artied.
To be brutally honest, I don't think escrow has a huge effect on gameplay. Sure, does it make fighting difficult? Yeah. Is it impossible to kill people who have huge escrows? No. I think that the mentality "They can't have what I have because I paid" is null, since most people who think like that are worthless to the game anyways and pretty unskilled in general. Most heavily (or even mildly) escrowed players (Seragorn, Proficy, Penwize, (now, kinda?) Atalkez) seem to want to have rewards for accomplishing some of the more painful aspects of the game for all players, and I think this change supported that train of thought.
The only major world-level difference that I've seen coming from this is player retention and player community building. I've connected with plenty of big players, small players, and random players to do renown on a daily basis. I enjoy this change.
A thought, though, and hear me out. Small players are not supposed to stay small forever. I played a year without these rewards. Perhaps people unwilling to attain dragon, shouldn't be given a handicap because they didn't decide to grow. There is a difference in true novices, and 499 year old sirens who are level 50, after all.
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
This game already has the wealth generates wealth issue. What we need is a system, just one, where newbies benefit more than veterans. Something that can springboard new players to viability and then taper off once they're reaching critical mass. For people at or above critical mass (like myself), we already had so many advantages. Sub 4k escrow should have 3-5x renown rewards for everything they do. The rest of us can participate in the system at normal rates and let the newbies actually have an edge in a system finally.
I just can't wrap my head around how fixated some of you people get on one thing when someone mentions it. I brought up my escrow as a guideline comparison for where I'm at after years as a pretty damn low spender, I wouldn't even call it casual. That guideline comparison was simply to compare how fast 20 credits a day for a single year could make up for years of what I've gotten. It wasn't me trying to say that it would upset me or some shit because I've spent $ so other people should too- I simply don't give a shit about other people, new nor old, getting quick and easy and fast rewards. (See bottom bolded) It was a comparison of my play time to "value" on my character. You people that are trying to drag your dick by stating how much bigger your escrow is than mine or how much more you've spent do nothing to change the argument, lol. If anything, you are all the ones that feel you have a more entitled opinion simply because "I've spent MORE than you, therefore, you're wrong. Don't bring up how much YOU spent."
But it's for real like you people do NOT look at the bigger picture. You don't look at the future. You don't CONSIDER the longevity nor the balance that must be maintained for the game's health. Don't say you do because you don't. We don't all get to play all fucking day, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Quite a few people do. Those people will become "I'll never spend a dime" players on this system, moreso if reaching the cap of 20 a day is made easier (the ENTIRE reason I started commenting and arguing to begin with.) If the admins have said several times that they just barely make enough to pay everyone that gets a paycheck and to keep the lights on, like I said somewhere else- they're gonna at some point "crunch numbers" on adventures, lock them in a spreadsheet, and write up an argument that the system is costing them theoretical revenue. Then it'll be another ruined system due to the changes they'll have to make to adjust accordingly.
And if you don't think people that are in Achaea all day every day can "ruin stuff for the rest of us," I can seriously just point at the shiptrade nerf and the gold cap as two quick and dirty examples.
Y'all are short-sighted and it hurts. Once you got an artie, that's it, you got it - unless you trade it in for some reason. But why would you if you can clear 20 bounds a day pretty easily? I don't mind the bounds a day. That part is awesome. But here's my original argument and I think it got lost somewhere in all the back and forth:
Hitting the cap of 20 a day isn't even really that hard if you just play the goddamn game. There's no reason a brand new player should be getting that 20 EASILY every day. Learn the game, play the game, EARN the game. Handouts do NOT make a game better, it kills a game. If they give with one hand they'll have to take with the other. I can hit half the cap in under 2 hours easy af and not only am I mediocre, I'm not a Dragon. I'm pretty sure if I wasn't on constant baby duty now, I could full cap it no trouble, since it would give me a reason to learn voyages like it gave me a reason to learn how to use Yggdrasil, Nur, where this mob spawns, how to get from here to there, etc. Legit this system is teaching me to get better and better at playing and I feel like that's the thing people should focus on, not the goddamn reward that some people scream "IT AINT ENOUGH" - They can give us all 2k credits tomorrow and some of yall mfs I swear to God would be like "I mean 2k is only two midbie arties so they could have at least made it 3k." or some shit like that.
What does somewhat trouble me however is the effect this has on the game environment from a roleplaying perspective. Checking off your daily adventures has a browser-gamey feel to it that doesn't help much with a feeling of immersion in a realistic, breathing world. I don't like people joining arena games and heartstopping, to check off that box. I don't like people dragging others off to Saar-elan to complete an exploration adventure. I don't like people discussing on city channels how they feel pissed that X or Y "stole" their hunting adventure boss, and most particularly, I don't like feeling the need to check if there's an adventure for something before you do the thing, because otherwise you'd "lose out".
It makes the game feel much more mechanical than it needs to, which is a bit of a pity.
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Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
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Yes pls. Especially since there's a number of adventures that have virtually the same completion requirement.
Auto-embarking would be good.
I think making renown not a daily thing, but a periodic thing where you can cap out if you sit down and spend a whole day doing adventures, or do a little each day, would be better. That way, there's not so much pressure and immediacy to make getting renown the focus of your time in Achaea, and you can knock it out of the way at the beginning of the period, or catch up at the end, instead of trying to net at least a few credits each day.
I'd like that a whole lot more than the way it's currently working out.
Most people don't like to spend 80% (or more) of they're time hunting, but most top ranking xp players do. With the change to adventures people now have an extra avenue for wealth generation, and while it also is a "grindy" one, I don't think it will magically make more people want to spend 80% (or more) of their time grinding.
What might change is that people who don't like the grind will substitute their irregular hunting with low effort adventures. If they don't really like hunting, I dont see how spending less time hunting and more time on adventures, should make a big difference. People still need experience, so I think it will be a mix for most people of some easy/medium adventures and some regular hunting.