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Edit: Radiance falls into the same category. Anything that can be done offensively, shouldn’t be so easy to do from safety. I don’t consider these things in the same realm as brazier or defensive things like empress/deliver etc.
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Still, I agree that it's 0 risk and annoying, I just find radiance a whole lot more of an issue. Displace could probably do fine with just some tweaks--radiance would need pretty huge nerfs.
Telepathy as a whole is an issue.
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I also think the need to be present at the tank detonation/disarm to receive the bonus creates its own issues, especially the former. If you could jump in, tag the tank, hey defenders are a bit light I won't stack the odds but still receive the detonation experience, or if you're still embracing back from an engagement on either side, you've been defending and missed the disarm but could still go to that room and claim the disarm experience while the sanction is still in effect, maybe even a smaller hey you lost but here's some consolation experience for actively defending from the tanked room. Just considering ways to loosen up the hard coded requirements on how to succeed in a raid.
But I would like to see more ideas on how to incentivise defence which is kinda the point of this thread (sorry for being an off topic nazi)
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It isn't a problem with raiding, it's a problem with vibes and totems and rites and runes and such.
I'm all for more font powers though. I just don't like the idea of flat removing all the various tactics and advantages: radiance, displace, totem, vibes, etc. Some counters are already there and underused.
The whole "ha, you thought we had 5 people but now we have 10!" is definitely my least favorite thing about any defense, whether in city, shrines, whatever. The offensive team generally just assumes every available defender will defend and plans accordingly. We don't want the defense to have to plan the same though because there will be far less opportunity for combat if two cities' CWHOs have to match up perfectly.
Part of this is a player attitude problem. It wouldn't be a problem if people just didn't add fighters mid-raid. But I actually really like the idea of a long-lasting font-power that seals the city from having any member of the sanctioning city enter it other than those who have, say, been inside within the last ten minutes (to prevent abuse when someone leaves due to radiance, dies, etc.).
I don't like the idea of stopping travel in and out entirely since I like area-wide telepathy, etc. and think people should be able to counter that. Not to mention things like having to grab a tank to begin with.
what if you mostly eliminated the control over advancement in the army and made it more based off of participation in organized raids? I.E.: You participate in a battlements raid, you gain advancement xp for the army. You could hold someone back for advancement if you needed to but not necessarily auto promote?
Along with that, make it so that each raid requires certain ranks participating in the raid to initialize it. Need a general to commence, lieutenant to plan the siege tower, two sergeants to organize the grunts and 3 grunts (corporal private or recruit) to be fully prepared to begin. Three per sergeant. Could also make it so that higher ranks are worth more points to kill but also gain more points when they kill or are involved in the kill.
Raiders would need to " opt in" for raid points to count as a way to prevent a bait and switch.
Often these mechanics just seem unnecessarily gated, at least to me. Don't have a bard, and in a group where not everyone can fly? Time to lose half of your group trying to get through three rooms of gravehands. Don't have an earring pair? You get to struggle through several rooms of ret against cata/los. Rewarding participation would definitely help a lot, but making that participation a bit more fun and accessible could also help the occasional raid suck a lot less for some people.
Once a sanction happens, randomly assign two types of rooms.
The first type of room is where the sanction occurred. Let's call this room the HQ room. This room must be claimed and kept by the attackers in order to maintain the sanction. If this room is lost, the sanction ends after -- minutes.
In addition to the HQ room, have the system randomly assign 3-5 rooms in the city. The attackers must choose between one of the these rooms to blow the tank. It makes blowing tanks harder, but also introduces some strategy and movement. For example, the attackers could feint an attack at one room and actually have a tank going somewhere else. The number of rooms that are assigned can be flexible based on the number of defenders or attackers.
This opens up a couple strategies.
1. They can attack the HQ room and get rid of the sanction
2. They can burrow into some of the tank rooms to prevent tanks
3. Lets smaller folks be involved by keeping watch and roaming around, keeping an eye out for movement.
Also some additional benefits - # of rooms can be flexible based on # of attackers or defenders (dunno how you would count that.. maybe just citizens online?) With a larger scale than just fighting over ONE room, this encourages people of all sizes to get involved.
You're basically eliminating one person from their team the second earring goes through.
The in class method (puppet/vodun travel) is actually better for the alpha strike off of a backstab in this case. Obviously, you can't buy that, so its rarer.
As for travel into cities and such, this is something we in fact had a fairly lengthy discussion on a few days ago. It is on the list of things to address to some degree when we make changes to raiding.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."