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That's fair, but hard to gauge that would be the case in that moment. I assumed attacking her would result in either everyone gathered jumping in (at least those not 18 and knew what was happening) OR I would get enemied while on the guard stack and died then and there.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Edit cause I didn't see Zack's response: yeah the only time I've maimed someone in Mhaldor without OOC agreement that was really explicit beforehand was a novice who came back 3 times on 2 characters and licked/cuddled/etc. people at Stygian and refused to leave and wasn't responding to being enemied.
That was literally the only time. I don't think I've participated in player-on-player action like that in Mhaldor that has EVER been non-consentual, personally at least.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
It's open to interpretation, I'm sure, but Cyrene is the only city where people actually seem to actively worry about fraternization laws anymore (barring a few exceptions here and there, obv). Everywhere else just has a 'just don't go overboard' policy from what I've seen.
One thing a lot of Cyrenians don't handle well is large scale one-sided engagements. The whole time when Blu was killed left a lot of people pissed just because they felt entirely helpless, which is an experience many struggle to handle. I myself had a particularly awful weekend at work during it, with a 27 patient load solo and losing one I was very close with to something traumatic. It has been the only time I had to excuse myself from the game because none of you guys needed to be on the receiving end of all of that. That honestly makes me pretty depressed to hear, doubly so because there isn't exactly an easy solution to it. You can have some pretty great experiences even in some of the rough parts of the game. I remember having an excellent dialogue between an Eleusian when I decided to try out a hostile takeover of someone's mine, and by the end of it we both had a good time. Immediately jumping to ooc crying or shutdown robs both players of any potential that the encounter could have. That all being said, most of the attempts to change that mindset are often counter productive or too extreme. I mean, we're trying to coax people into RP interactions who are simultaneously being called shit-stains of the game just one post above. Even ignoring the rest of the world though, internally we've had many folks trying to make the city more conflict friendly. I wholeheartedly support the notion, and we have made steps towards it (year 750 games -cough- -cough-), but often the people we've had pushing for it want 100% with no compromise, and take it personal if it doesn't happen. I honestly think what would help most with Cyrene, is having the right enemy. I've seen a lot of character growth and ignited desire happen from various conflicts, but I've also seen it given up just as fast, especially when players are dipping their toes in the kiddy pool and find themselves overwhelmed in the deep end a few days later.
Cyrene also had this crippling period during its history where it became stupidly unfun and some folks became Mean Girls level of snobby. It started happening before I went dormant to survive nursing school, and I noticed some portions of it pretty starkly when I was finally done and able to play again (I think I came back just around the time V was taking Imperiate). There were some pretty awful cliques, and pretty harsh attitudes towards even things like small jokes on CT. The city has grown from that point and is doing quite a bit better, and I do hope it continues to grow and take a larger role in the community as a whole. I'm just a single citizen though, so while I'm entirely open to ideas and ways to make it better.. change is going to take time and figuring out how to make players understand that you can have fun in almost every encounter, even with the filthy lowlanders.
I talk way to effing much.
It is what it is. If you don't feel it needs to change, that's totally fine. No one is (or should be!) allowed to tell you how to play a game. But they're definitely allowed to have an opinion about the choices you make, and I think a lot of non-Cyrenians feel Cyrenians tend to be unreasonably (certainly unconscionably) self-excluding from anything that isn't Cyrene-themed.
I'm not a doom-and-gloom type like Daeir; the vitality of the playerbase that's moving and shaking seems fine to me, and I don't predict any kind of death for Achaea anytime soon. But it is a bummer to have a very big portion of CWHO at any given point so completely dedicated to avoiding things they might not choose as a first preference, that they'll skip straight to OOC to ignore/avoid those people who're playing other storylines or advancing other agendas. Non-engagement literally leaves nothing to work with, and that's a shame. Being so unwilling to even partake means that A) the people who do not partake miss out on anything not actively catered to them, and
Cyrene has some cool people. Keorin, Shirszae, Dochitha, Kogan, they're all pretty neat. It'd be cool to have an opportunity to interact some more with new people even in an antagonist dynamic.
ETA: I don't defend anything Aegoth says on principle! Just gloss over that bit, he likes to be rude.
I joined Cyrene because:
- I didn't want to join a House if I didn't feel like it.
- I didn't want to have to defend the City if I didn't feel like it.
I just want to be a dragon.I had originally quit Achaea, again (for like.. the 30th time), because if you can't establish some sort of friendship, and all you do is bash, you get bored. I was fortunate enough to have a friend I met in another IRE MUD invite me to her ooc 'circle', so to speak, and other friends who play Achaea befriend my char (as organically as possible.) As well as new friends I made as a result!
I recognize that the responsibility is on the player to seek out the interaction they are looking for. I suck at that part, admittedly, and resort to bashing as a way to fill the time (which ends up taking me out of situations where I am likely to interact with others).
That said, and I am confident that this'd be the case no matter which city I chose, the way I RP Voli is likely to leave me in the same situation no matter which city I chose. Quietly idling in public hangouts being overlooked due to her quiet nature, with random comments tossed in because yes, I am often paying attention, or bashing on my own avoiding responsibilities like House stuff and City obligations.
Also, not having some sort of 'higher power' like Oblivion, Good, Nature, Darkness, Evil, w/e lets me not have to worry about RPing in an abrasive manner to the environment.
tl;dr I want to be Dragon. Cyrene convenient. (Wanted to participate. Likes feeling included)
The last time I really tried to do anything as a kind of enemy-that-goads-you-into-doing-better thing, the person I had interacted with (I broke in just to speak with that person and see if something could come of it) ended up getting yelled at pretty massively (and demoted, I think?) for not just crying for help right away or something. That was sad to hear. It was a good conversation, and a really great moment, but I've kinda stayed away cuz I don't wanna get the cool people in trouble with my cooties or whatever it is Cyrenians are afraid of where Mhaldorians are concerned.
Lmao. Cooties or no cooties, that situation you're referring to, was indisputably an Act of Treason/Insubordination, if we really wanted to be hardasses about the rules.
To me, Devotion belongs in Targossas, so the idea of some outside group "rejecting" it as a "bad thing" is just bizarre. Opposing people for not practicing Devotion is essentially opposing people for not being Targossian. Which, it's fine if some people want the whole "if you're not with us, you're against us" view, but I'd rather be more overt about that than attributing it to "rejecting Devotion."
Either way, I've never seen Targossas as a place that takes the view as an organization. It took ages for us to be in open conflict with a city that was actually actively impeding us (Eleusis). Treating Cyrene, a city that doesn't impede Targossas, as somehow worse than cities that do makes little sense as far as Targossas's ideology goes. I'll never really see them as an IG enemy until they get in the way.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
It seems, frankly, dated. Given that a lot of the separation of Good and Good!Lite (Targ/Shallam and Cyrene) was Divinely forced as well as, well, pretty much old news at this point...
To me, it has less to do with being secluded from the world and more to do with no longer allowing a third party to impede the city's decision making. And there was really no good way to do it. Like being in a bad and somewhat abusive relationship, it's sometimes best to just make a clean break. Incidentally, the abuser or the party with all the power in that relationship will seldom recognise that it's bad. Everything is going swimmingly (for them) since it's their way or the highway. They're usually shocked when someone decides to choose the highway.
I definitely don't mean to cut out the role of the individual, for the record. Like I said, I've had some neat moments with a couple Cyrenians, and some really great fights with others. But four people out of what, over fifty, sixty active players does not an identity constitute. They're very much the exception, rather than the norm.
My viewpoint... maybe its more of a Mhaldorian viewpoint though /shrug.
Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM
New Hope refused to ally with Targossas because they don't share Targossas's faith. Targossas still isn't allowed to hunt them. You're using very strong language that is inconsistent with Targossas's actual current stance. We don't oppose Mhaldor, Ashtan, etc. because they reject the Bloodsworn but because their ideologies directly hinder Good. In another thread, you were arguing with me that Eleusis is not an enemy, or not of the same scale as Ashtan, Mhaldor, etc., so I don't even know where this reversal of position comes from.
Neutrality is precisely saying "we have no position, which means we aren't backing your position or your enemy's." Cyrene isn't immune from the consequences of its actions. They deliberately choose to not take actions that will have major military consequences, which is something some countries do irl too!
And saying things like "there's no conceivable universe where..." when city leaders in your city think exactly what you're saying isn't possible is a bit silly. You should lose the exaggerations.
Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM