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Plenty in Targ who talk to enemies.
Plenty in Ashtan who talk to enemies.
Plenty in Mhaldor who talk to enemies - hell I sat at NoT and conversed with @Roayun about Nature/Evil for at least an hour and a half after our duel.
It's not "exactly how it is in other cities" sorry. There's a different between talking to / conversing with, and spending quality time with them being buddy-buddy like nothing happens. Refusing to interact purely on the basis that they're an enemy is just you being a shitbag.
[spoiler] Did I use the term right, @Atalkez? [/spoiler]
I talk to Cyrenians, too, sometimes, but they're the only ones that regularly tell me 'omg we can't talk you're an enemy' lol
But it does, doesn't it?
I did not use the word "socialize" in my original post.
And folks in Targ and Mhaldor "interact" all the time.
You _do_ get to have those types of interactions.
As do I.
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
- To love another person is to see the face of G/d
- Let me get my hat and my knife
- It's your apple, take a bite
- Don't dream it ... be it
Right there.
b) You literally said:
Kinda goes contrary to "they do get those interactions" - so which is it? lol
We are all friends on an OOC level for the most part, Cyrene representation isn’t really there in a lot of ways for that kind of stuff.
Verrucht is still my boy tho
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
No one's ever said that every interaction has to be a masterpiece, or even particularly relevant or memorable. But the refusal on the part of many people to even have little moments, to stay IC to argue with enemies, to consider -any- avenue of interaction bar OOC tells, is something I'm apparently very much not the only person to notice.
That merits some looking at, I suspect.
Lisbethae's comment is extraordinarily telling; it's exactly what I mean when I say that if someone is enemied, an enormous portion of the Cyrenian population will refuse to even acknowledge that character in-game.
Edit: sry, phone typing hard
I'm totally open to criticism and listening though. While I've curbed some of my roaming interactions as of late, all I really have to go on is my personal experiences. On one hand, I do not fault people for not going out of their way to interact with cityenemies, on the other, I can't imagine myself ever snubbing someone who was trying to reach out for some for of interaction.
Are you guys getting stuff like "Tell lowlander Please don't interact with me, I'm busy sipping fizzy lemonade and contemplating the color blue." or what sort of things are you getting on your end. I'm genuinely curious what others are experiencing. Part of me is wondering if it's pure ooc shutdown or just a very poorly done "haughty aristocracy" or some such.
Very akin to "holier than thou" Christians, in that way.
When Atalkez sees me struggling to kill people at clouds, he gives me secrets.
I don't know if you remember, but a couple months back, when I was trying out monk, Telendrieth and Reyson went back and forth trying to radiance each other and reached a gentleman's agreement to just mess with other people because radiance is dumb when you can walk out? That's the neat little kind of thing I'm talking about. It made a fight more than just a simple ol' raid (I laughed at the time, was cool).
What I get is mostly pure OOC shut-down. And when you refuse to engage at -all-, and only basically resort to OOC tells, you kill even that kind of little moment in the crib. Which is what makes me sad about Cyrene (tbf, people in other Cities do it, as well, it's not an exclusively Cyrenian thing. But Cyrene does it more consistently and in more wide-spread fashion than any other faction from what I've seen).
So, my first character - my forevermain, this character, Aeryllin - was Cyrenian because the friend I started playing with chose that as the city he wanted to be part of that had a house that accepted his chosen class. I started in this city for no other reason.
That being said, I came to love it dearly. I have had so many amazing friends and experiences here. Hours and hours of wonderful RP - part of having good RP interactions is knowing you can't wait for it to come to you, you have to do your part to seek it out and live your life. If you're not one who enjoys conflict, or you are a lover of the Arts, or you simply don't want to live in a strict theocracy, Cyrene can be a place where you can meet like-minded folks to live with and have a great and fun time. Not everyone has fun in the grim or gritty harsh reality of some conflicts or way of life - and ultimately, this is a game! We play it to have fun!
Over the years I have played, I have made alts to give other cities a thorough chance and get to know them from the inside. I took each one seriously and a couple of them I played for RL years. I have since sworn off alting and don't miss it. I had very different experiences, and each one did shape my overall opinion of each city. In no particular order, my observations are thus:
Ashtan - Likely the city I disliked the most out of all of them, I admit, even if it had my longest-running of all my alts. There were some things I really liked - the old Occie house had some really great lore, and I had a couple of very dear friends that would have made any environment worthwhile. I enjoyed learning nihilist things and having an RP so very opposite of Aeryllin's. I feel the Renaissance was the worst thing that ever happened to Ashtan and that a TON of unique things were crushed and lost, without a lot of the right sort of people to rebuild. While I had some fun with individuals, the city as a whole was a place I never enjoyed. In my experience, many people there seemed to consider it RP to be a real jerk and call it freedom/nihilism/chaos - they didn't want to put much effort in.
Mhaldor - I wanted to like Mhaldor, and it was likely my second longest-running alt. I recognize that my personal great distaste for PvP didn't serve me well here above all other places. But mostly, that aside.... my experience here was simply very boring. No one ever wanted to just talk if I encountered them in person - typically those I did encounter were apparently going the austere or stoic route, and didn't seem to have time for someone they didn't know.. No socialization on the city channel, and it all felt extremely clique-ish - as if you had to already be someone to expect interaction with others. I wasn't treated poorly, although getting brushed off for a long time as a worthless slave was disheartening even when I was working hard. Even when I got past that point, though, I found interaction with others in the city EXTREMELY difficult to come by. I was disappointed to never find the high and in-depth RP some people praise so strongly from here. It was simply an extremely dull experience, not one full of negativity.
Targossas - My shortest running alt of the lot. Priest has always been my favorite class, but I just couldn't get anywhere here. Perhaps part of it is my unusual hours, but more times than not I'd be literally the only one awake in my House, or the few people I'd find would be unresponsive. It felt like a ghost town! Never anyone around that could help with House stuff, rare to find people in the city to talk to.
Hashan - This was a more pleasant experience than I had initially expected I'd have. When I first started playing the game, Hashan was so tiny! In more recent times, they've gotten much more populous. In my time here, I met some really interesting and friendly people, and had some pretty fun times. I never really felt the city had much of a cohesive identity or ideology or real direction, but it was alright.
Eleusis - Dear gods, I loved playing a druid. I love the forestal classes in general SO much more than alchemists, and I'd multi as a Druid without a bit of hesitation. Insofar as people go, I think the Eleusians were probably the most similar in mannerism to Cyrenians. I met a few truly good and awesome people, although I think some of the Nature beliefs are a bit TOO exclusive of the world in general. Not everyone that is not part of the solution is part of the problem in any situation, in my mind.
In the end, though, having given every place a fair shot - some of them more than once - I could never want to live anywhere besides Cyrene. The atmosphere, the people, the great RP and family and friends...the open honesty in how things are run, and how many people work out of genuine love or bend over backwards and almost 'fight' each other to help out others...it sings to me. The city has true beauty to offer. I love the freedom of choice, and the support people offer each other no matter what walk of life they wish to follow. No one has things shoved down their throat or their freedom of choice stripped from them. People are typically friendly and morally upstanding, respectful of others. I've had so many meaningful experiences, tons of which started from the tiniest little incidents or comments. And the quality of character of some of the people I've been blessed to know here, their loyalty and dedication and honour and simple love has made my life so much more fulfilled. Cyrene is the city of my heart and I have never regretted it for a moment.
You tell @Kiet, "You filthy fog huffer!"
Check the corrected version which addresses your point.
OP wanted to socialize.
Cyrenians do not socialize with enemies. They are allowed to, and do, interact.
It's not that confusing for anybody who is not just here to bash Cyrene.
- To love another person is to see the face of G/d
- Let me get my hat and my knife
- It's your apple, take a bite
- Don't dream it ... be it
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Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Edit: I think Mhaldor raided Cyrene over that too, but I don't think Sartan mistakenly thought she was Cyrenian. I may be wrong on this but I think it was more to do with having Aluine just be disrespectful to him and apparently nobody said anything to her about it at the time that it happened. Not sure who was there or how much of this is fact. Feel free to correct me, but if there is a lesson in any of this. You just don't go around being disrespectful to people (yes just like us) who give up their mortal characters to make the world more fun for an entire faction and possibly even other factions.
Even if it's not the "general attitude" of Cyrene - that's the attitude some of us are met with within moments of speaking to people there. Perl and Zbaco weren't exactly chomping at the bit to reign them in!
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
- I could fight anyone from any city, knowing there's no factional conflict
- I could peace and talk with anyone from any city, not risking nose getting cut off
- I could trade with anyone from any city, even after we just fought and someone died.
- I could hunt along with any city, can also screw up the hunt of anyone from any city, and both sides call it fun. Many times, we extend it, and love it (see Annwyn, esp with Xaden and co.).
- I could hunt any time and mostly not called to attend shits, lots of freedom.
- Cyrene has a lot of fighting knowledge, we also have some of the best accuracy in discussions.
- Cyrene also has great combatants who excels at their class. We already know this.
- Cyrene actually has a government, that actually works like a government, not a pact.
- Every time after we finish fighting, we go back to bath, rum, art. It's beautiful. It's chillax!
- You don't get frightened, bullied, overwhelmed in Cyrene. There's a lot of respect, help and support here.
- For centuries, Cyrene remains as one of the most popular Cities, we accommodate, we big heart.
- Cyrene is not a city of non-com. Combatants are many. Cyrene loves combatants, ask Verrucht. We fight with Cyrene's culture, honour and ethos in mind.
- I still kill a lot, I still jump people, and getting killed. All my personal fights, I ensure I don't bring conflict to the city. I don't screw other cities relationships. While it's something I have to consciously manage, I believe it's what all Cyrenians are doing when they make decisions, "Cyrene first".
I don't see any element in game that's lacking in Cyrene except factional conflict, God war and frequent large scale war. I am all good trading those for immersive experience interacting with people from all factions not in a conflicting manner.Is why I love Cyrene, and hopefully I display another perspective, at least my perspective, about Cyrene, and newcomers are welcome to join Cyrene, if this is what you are looking for.
See, but isn't that the thing?
I could have 1v4 that entire group, no problem. That would have gotten me enemied though, and I'm out of my "free chances" are being unenemied according to Verrucht. So while I could have probably handed the whole room a big L, I would have been the one punished in the end.
Edit: For the record, I'm not demonizing Cyrene at all. I understand that, based upon the RP of my character/decisions, I'm likely not going to be met with kindness from the jump. I have several friends in Cyrene, and largely these types of things don't happen. They DO happen though, which is what I think people are trying to point out.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Kidding of course, but just to clarify: Though it was a spontaneous thing, Hataru and I did talk about and agree on this before putting it into action. I think it's generally a good rule to have some level agreement on something before RPing a life-/face-altering situation, and we did just that in this case.