Quick Combat Questions

Proficy

Forging weapon stats make no noticable difference, even with the extra stat point. The increase for a scimitar in speed from baseline to level one arte is .1 seconds and that's a few points in speed increase, so a single stat point is not noticable. I am not entirely sure what the benefit is, or if there is one. 

So basically the formula would be the same on tour forged weapons as it is with all forged weapons. That would be defendant on your targets health completely as nothing else goes into effect. You just have to figure out at what health level specifically raises the break point to the next hit

Mizik

For Magi burn stacks, when you get burning (1) to burning (2), does gmcp output burning (1) as cured or is it stacked on?

Antonius

Pretty sure you get two separate GMCP messages, Add "burning(2)" and Remove "burning(1)".

Riell

Is it just my testing, or does Emulation Rupture's bleeding boost wildly vary in strength?  It doesn't seem to be consistent at all, which makes it difficult to track

Torrent

Riell said:

Is it just my testing, or does Emulation Rupture's bleeding boost wildly vary in strength?  It doesn't seem to be consistent at all, which makes it difficult to track

Yeah it doesn't seem very reliable at times. Happens to me as well. Though a lot of Psion abilities are meant to be random, not sure if that is also meant to be.

[Deleted User]

Something to keep in mind is that the attack you use to proc it also influences it.

Penwize

Yeah, my testing has it as random too, and only about +20-30 bleeding on everything other than prone deathblow.   I'm not actually sure what the use case for rupture is, with its long eq time I can't see any time when using it would be better than just using a weaving attack.  Except as part of an opener I guess, for that tiny bit extra mana momentum.

Riell

Penwize said:

Yeah, my testing has it as random too, and only about +20-30 bleeding on everything other than prone deathblow.   I'm not actually sure what the use case for rupture is, with its long eq time I can't see any time when using it would be better than just using a weaving attack.  Except as part of an opener I guess, for that tiny bit extra mana momentum.

Yea, that’s abouy where I am with it. Even when using it on prone deathblow, there’s no real point unless you’re going for like a cheese bleed death or something

Archaeon

nevermind i'm a dummy

Vender

I'm confused. As Tekura monk, it takes 9 hits to a limb to damage one but only 8 hits to the torso to break it on a target with 6310 max hp. Does SDK do more damage than other kicks or something?

Lavanda

Vender said:

I'm confused. As Tekura monk, it takes 9 hits to a limb to damage one but only 8 hits to the torso to break it on a target with 6310 max hp. Does SDK do more damage than other kicks or something?

Monk attacks don't do flat 1 or 2 damage, but rather oddly specific amounts which vary depending on which limb you're hitting. I'm no expert, but purely as an example, a hit might do 0.98 limb damage instead of 1. If I remember right, SDK does indeed do the most limb damage of all of tekura's kicks, besides axe kick on a prone target obviously. Unfortunately I don't have any of these precise values written down, but surely others do.

Armali

That is hilariously obtuse. I wonder if it's tied in some way to the actual damage formula, since, at least in Aetolia, sdk did the most health damage out of all the kicks and it was one of the oldest unchanged class designs so I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar.

Penwize

SDK does more limb damage than other kicks, UCP does more limb damage than other punches.

Limb damage is a closely guarded trade secret, so I can't explain any more without violating my NDA.

Keorin

So, psion now has a built in momentum reset window, I guess?

For a class that seems to have generally slower momentum options, having a window for a limb class to wait for and run seems odd, to me.

Gilliam

Keorin said:

So, psion now has a built in momentum reset window, I guess?

For a class that seems to have generally slower momentum options, having a window for a limb class to wait for and run seems odd, to me.

I don't think it was the best way to balance the ability but it is something you can work around with leg breaks or entangle or all the various prones. I'd personally have preferred either losing the adjacent or lowering the proc chance but it's not as though it's not workable. The way the cooldown currently functions seems like it's probably a bug tho but that's not really related.

Keorin

Does arti lash level effect flay speed, at all?

Mizik

No. Only dex affects flay.

Lash stats only affect weaponry attacks and garrote.

Dathrun

What all classes “require” artifacs? I put require in quotes because I have trouble believing they were made to need artifacts.

[Deleted User]

Every class can kill just fine without artifacts. Dual-cutting might be one of the only tricky ones, really. A lot of the times it really depends on who/what you're fighting. Gonna be hard to force people to sip as a 2-hander for instance, if they're super artifacted and you have nothing.

There are a handful like Sylvan/Occultist whose kill windows and margin of error increase rather noticeably with artifacts, though (Diadem, primarily). Would have said Priest until recently when they got changed.

Dathrun

Great... I am dual cutting

Minifie

Dathrun said:

Great... I am dual cutting

Dual cutting can do ok, if you are infernal you can get by just fine against most in 1v1, honestly save up for level 1 scims and that will be enough, it’s just the crucial speed jump from forged to level 1s that make a big difference in affliction pressure IMO. You can spec con but you are tanky enough to spec strength though so don’t be afraid to do that.

Antonius

Minifie said:

Dathrun said:

Great... I am dual cutting

Dual cutting can do ok, if you are infernal you can get by just fine against most in 1v1, honestly save up for level 1 scims and that will be enough, it’s just the crucial speed jump from forged to level 1s that make a big difference in affliction pressure IMO. You can spec con but you are tanky enough to spec strength though so don’t be afraid to do that.

The major issue with unartefacted Knight is the lack of strength. That impacts how much damage your disembowel does, but also how much damage you're doing in the build-up to disembowel, so one of your main methods of killing can be pretty ineffective if you're fighting somebody with a lot of artefacts and/or damage reduction. It's worst for Infernal, because they have neither the added strength of Inspiration or the increased disembowel damage from Lagua.

There are obviously non-disembowel kill routes (especially for Infernal), but having disembowel as an option is always good, and that being taken away can negatively impact your ability to punish choices your opponent makes.

Farrah

I fought for a while on an alt as 12 str snb paladin (so I could con spec for defense) and didn't mind it. Obviously you're going exclusively for damnation at that point, but that's doable. I'd say the same for exclusively vivisect + occasionally impatience locks as infernal.

I agree that having more options is better, but I don't think it's really necessary.

Pyori said:

Every class can kill just fine without artifacts. Dual-cutting might be one of the only tricky ones, really. A lot of the times it really depends on who/what you're fighting. Gonna be hard to force people to sip as a 2-hander for instance, if they're super artifacted and you have nothing.

There are a handful like Sylvan/Occultist whose kill windows and margin of error increase rather noticeably with artifacts, though (Diadem, primarily). Would have said Priest until recently when they got changed.

As a high tier combatant, I'm skeptical of unartied priest. The speed hit without an artie mace (or lack of limb breaks if you use smash) is pretty noticeable. I haven't ever tried actually fighting as it without artie mace, only testing, but I'd be surprised if I could beat particularly good opponents at that speed. That's in addition to having slower sap, inquisition, dazzle, sloth, and fasting too because no diadem.

It can still "kill just fine" if your target is just standing there or whatever but I think its slowness would stick out in a competitive fight.

Dathrun

Thanks for the info.

[Deleted User]

Farrah said:

As a high tier combatant, I'm skeptical of unartied priest.

To clarify, it was more "previously I would have definitely said they needed them, now I'm not sure." - I don't know some of the 'new' speeds on the attacks.

Mcdougall

Does drag in skirmishing set off traps? If so, does it trigger the trap on leaving, or entrance into the new room, or both?

Lyrin

Forced movement, including drag, will hit the trap on the entrance of the room in which the target lands.

Shreknorn

What affliction classes are also somewhat good at hunting? I do not need to be as good as a knight, but would like some aff pressure, and cannot put money into artifacts, so will have to be able to hunt for them.

Gror

Shreknorn said:

What affliction classes are also ksomewhat good at hunting? I do not need to be as good as a knight, but would like some aff pressure, and cannot put money into artifacts, so will have to be able to hunt for them.

Shaman has pretty great bashing. Beefy, fast balances, good damage. 

[Deleted User]

Shaman likely fits the bill the best. Sylvan is great as well if you don't mind being limited to being Eleusian/Rogue.

Ditto for Priest (Targossas/Rogue?)