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  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    SnB unreasonably low, Earth Lord unreasonably high.
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    ShirszaePenwize
  • PenwizePenwize Member Posts: 1,532 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Oh! To clarify this now in case anyone didn't see it, Atalkez had his critting gagged so his numbers are doubled, so it's not quite as egregiously powerful as those numbers would suggest.
    Dochitha
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,009 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    This is why I don't bash.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • MinifieMinifie Member Posts: 2,341 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Was going to say that damage was absolutely ridiculous. No reason NOT to be Elord if that was standard DPS! I'd have to go and get permanently hard with bashing damage like that!


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  • TjayTjay Member Posts: 65 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I might have to try out Earth Lord now.

  • GarnerGarner Member Posts: 51 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    So, Buffet got buffed, and I wanted to test the damage.
    Stats are standard for all Ele lords, and I have no stat arties, just the con trait, same test target.

    AIR LORD
    Buffet
    22% dmg, 2.25b, 9.78%/s

    So, still fairly weak. Arties might improve it some, though I'm not sure what stat actually affects the damage. Unless it's a huge improvement, bashing in Air Lord doesn't look to be worth it at all. Oh well.
  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,796 @ - Epic Achaean
    Nothing affects elemental lord's damage, as far as people could tell when it was last checked.

    As far as I recall, none besides Earth are worth bashing in. Water Lord is 'okay' but nothing stellar.

  • VoliVoli Member Posts: 82 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Water is mainly okay because you have a Battlerage attack that heals you. At least, for me. That, and all the health. And some decent natural defenses.


  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesMember Posts: 6,268 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Dochitha said:
    For the record, only DWC is affected by STR, DWB, 2H, SNB are all not affected by STR. I believe it's unintended, and if this is adjusted they should all come back on par.
    Wait...what? Is this really a thing?


  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,796 @ - Epic Achaean
    Kresslack said:
    Dochitha said:
    For the record, only DWC is affected by STR, DWB, 2H, SNB are all not affected by STR. I believe it's unintended, and if this is adjusted they should all come back on par.
    Wait...what? Is this really a thing?
    Was.

  • DupreDupre M.Member Posts: 288 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Most threads you can get away with just reading the first page

    This is not one of those threads
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  • RiellRiell Member Posts: 209 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Penwize said:
    Oh! To clarify this now in case anyone didn't see it, Atalkez had his critting gagged so his numbers are doubled, so it's not quite as egregiously powerful as those numbers would suggest.
    Any chance you could share the corrected dps, pretty please?
  • DupreDupre M.Member Posts: 288 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Divide by 2 gives you 12.2% aka real shitty.
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  • RiellRiell Member Posts: 209 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Dupre said:
    Divide by 2 gives you 12.2% aka real shitty.
    Hmm. You're right. That doesn't seem good at all

  • ElisellaElisella Member Posts: 186 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    RISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE

    @Mindshell, can we get a numbers update on SnB?
    Jethan
  • MindshellMindshell Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    PSION
    Weave Overhand/Deathblow
    29.00% dmg, 1.98b (2.20)
    Psi Shatter - no scaling
    18.50% dmg, transcend every 5th attack

    Combined average
    163.50% dmg, 9.90b (11.00), 16.52% p/s

    Note that all weaves do the same damage per hit, but overhand and deathblow are the fastest choices. I also took a look at clarity + psi shatter shenanigans, but as psi shatter doesn't scale with stats the output was way too low to consider.

    Also, given how transcend functions, psion hunting is backended and will drop off as you travel between targets and your transcendence decays.

    --
    Re snb, I did start looking at numbers but I'd left it until I have time to focus on this again.
    AustereDochitha
  • KorrokKorrok Member Posts: 45 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    @Mindshell Is there any way we could get these dps breakdowns unartied? 

    With these two combined, it would be a great resource to show the unartied, artied, and scaling for all PVE aspects of each class, for those interested.

  • KaedanKaedan Member Posts: 42 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    It'd be a lot easier to crowdsource unartied versions - just have people post what their stats are, make sure they have no arties affecting their damage, and that the class skill that governs their PvE damage is trans. Then go find a little girl in Tasur'ke and rough her up a little. Once that's done, it'd be pretty easy to get it all together in a google spreadsheet or something.
    Korrok
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 5,249 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    0 chance of getting consistent results there. 

    Korrok
  • MindshellMindshell Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I did initially start on this, and I have some numbers, but once the gem of reincarnation changes went in I had to shelve the entire project. Adjusting stats to properly test started eating up big chunks of time and getting results relies on me not critting everything. Been itching to finish up outstanding tests but I don't have much time to myself with current events as is.
    KorrokDochitha
  • KorrokKorrok Member Posts: 45 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    So does Weaving scale with Int or Str? 

  • MindshellMindshell Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Strength.
  • KorrokKorrok Member Posts: 45 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    I just want to know how Psion bashing compares to other classes? Because it feels terrible.

  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,796 @ - Epic Achaean
    Because it is terrible.

  • KorrokKorrok Member Posts: 45 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    So what class I pick up as my bashing alternative?

  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,796 @ - Epic Achaean
    Look through the thread.
    Unartied, the order doesn't exactly change all that much.

    Korrok
  • IssamIssam Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 145 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Just pick up any iteration of knight other than SnB. Relatively low skill investment, solid damage output, very tanky. 

    Korrok
  • ElisellaElisella Member Posts: 186 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Shaman is my vote for "unartied duo-trans bashing class".

    You don't need Vodun unless someone is going to let you leech off of them, Spiritlore will make you sort of tanky (though you'll specificially have to swap spirits when you change between PVE and PVP), and Bleed/Jinx bashing is some of the best non-artied damage output.

    If you're stuck on a single trans skill, non-SnB Knight, Serpent, or Bard are your best bets.
  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,796 @ - Epic Achaean
    Don't have to swap between bashing and pvp, so long as you don't wanna use soulrend. You'll obviously be less tanky, since you're only using garon in the situation I'm thinking, but it's workable enough!
    Obviously if you know you're not gonna get jumped, might as well use all 3. But yeah.

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