The Revelation

Frederich

As a note.

What we were doing before hand (only attacking during shard falls) was perfectly fine in my eyes.  Because we were playing defense against the obvious team that "oh you got avatar? DIE!"

Now?  Now the Coordination has fallen to "hey imma go uproot all these totems leading to X's master shrine.  OH UR GONNA FIGHT US?  WE'LL 20v4 YOU!"

This dragged on through an entire time frame between shard fall and the next.  This shouldn't happen, whatsoever.  It's also one of the reasons why I said "fuck gathering shards or fighting."  It gets god-damn annoying to put up with that.  I can't even really hunt my areas because one of the areas I hunt is a shard-drop area.  Which either means 500 people hunting it out, or I get radianced/attacked because of reasons.

Don't be griefers, folks.

Shirszae

You don't have to do it if you don't want to. We were trying to prevent people from relinquishing, which is exactly what other people have done to us and entirely fair game.

I will agree the uprooting was a bit over the top, but as far as I saw we only actually tried uprooting one, the others were just vined/runes erased. And then again, its their choice for littering the place outside their city with city totems.

Xaden

There are perfectly legitimate RP reasons to attack people who are subverting /gathering splinters.

Also, to the people who've decided to be issue happy during this event: Hire a mark. That's your IC resolution. 

Cooper

Would be nice if our shrine was in a city surrounded by guards, instead of an inside location that only has one way to get into. 

Xaden

Cooper said:

Would be nice if our shrine was in a city surrounded by guards, instead of an inside location that only has one way to get into. 

Lots of shrines are in the exact same situation.

Morthif

Are they using the city temple shrines in Targ as the master shrines? 

Szanthax

Cooper said:

Would be nice if our shrine was in a city surrounded by guards, instead of an inside location that only has one way to get into. 

I'll agree with both of these things.

Also unassailable Hell Fortress...  great great design.

Shirszae

Morthif said:

Are they using the city temple shrines in Targ as the master shrines? 

Aurora's one, from what I've seen. Deuc's seems to not be accessible.

Xaden

Morthif said:

Are they using the city temple shrines in Targ as the master shrines? 

Deuc's is in his temple. Rory's was on Polyargos, but is now in Targ.

I think hers is the only one IN a city

Morthif

Okay, Rory's was the only off main continent anyway I think. Not sure what Cooper is crying about then. Deucalion's entrance super easy to block 

Kez

I know most of what I say is said in jest but allow me to be very serious for a moment.

I have been watching the arguments and complaints and praise and all of it, and participated via altiness because on Kez I give all forms of pk a wide berth because I don't want to be bothered when I don't want to be bothered and crossing paths once can be taken as a permanent opt-in by some people.

I honestly think some of the loudest voices here belong to some of the worst offenders. Jinsun's been pretty vocal about the woes of it all (or maybe I just notice him the most because...) and what he did on the first or second day the alliance existed was make several attempts to lead Zsarachnor to them. I believe that was obvious intent with a justifiable target painted on his back even though I haven't seen him targetted very many times.

As far as who fired first, I think that anyone know knowingly pursues an activity with 'open/free pk' stamped all over it has already accepted the terms and conditions to be 'well i will get fricked up' while they are doing so. It would be really preferable to leave them alone outside of those boundaries though so people can just try to enjoy the event and not get plagued by cause-counters later because, let's face it, there is a very specific type of person who worships cause counting and whenever that person's head pops up the whole world groans.

Clan's probably doing quite a bit of jumping the gun to attack people, but it's also a learned behaviour. First, they learned that if they didn't attack first the opposition was going to destroy the entire group with room-wide attacks, regardless of who did what, and then they learned that if they did attack first they had a chance to survive. They are also rushing to defend each other when they notice an enemy near them because people are getting camped all over the place. Basically, they're taking what they get and giving it back. Vicious cycle, maybe.

If any of that's going to make a shift in an agreeable direction, there will likely need to be a general agreement for a fresh start on hostilities and willingness to turn a blind eye to accidents. And a bloomin' way to stop someone from subverting because telling people to stand there and watch the enemy gain a win-button when they are able to stop them from doing it is pretty dumb.

Jhui

Definitely need to let attacks happen while subverting or this is going to turn shitty. I understand not just hitting people in area but subverting needs to be open

Dunn

Ya, okay, Zeus. You electrocute me one more time and we're gonna have words, @Jhui. Call your ass Jheus from now on.

Zulah

Subvert should be open pk hands down. Honestly shardfall should just come with a msg like Annwyn. THIS AREA IS OPEN PK FOR THE NEXT X MINUTES. Anyone subverting has actively choosen to participate in pvp. Saying dont touch me until i get my god power to kill you with is a bit over the top

Cooper

Morthif said:

Okay, Rory's was the only off main continent anyway I think. Not sure what Cooper is crying about then. Deucalion's entrance super easy to block 

There are several shrines in temples and cities, while some are out of cities and/or in hard to reach or hard to defend locations.

Korben

Middle ground idea: allow move/summon/web attacks on subverters. Still can't kill them but now you can stop them.

Morthif

Cooper said:

Morthif said:

Okay, Rory's was the only off main continent anyway I think. Not sure what Cooper is crying about then. Deucalion's entrance super easy to block 

There are several shrines in temples and cities, while some are out of cities and/or in hard to reach or hard to defend locations.

That would be most of them 

Datrius

Calyn said:

Daeir said:

Xaden said:

(Party): Anytus says, "A reminder to all in the various Coalition defence and offensive efforts, your opposition is not free for all game unless they are an Avatar."

Well.... fuck that.

I don't understand this at all. We're just supposed to let enemies subvert shards now, when they can literally hit astral/blackwind the second they get balance back from subverting/gathering and get away scot free while their entourage of allies fights the party that was trying to engage them but couldn't because of.. whatever the fuck this is?

Just make the shardfall zones open PK while splinters remain in them. This is tremendously stupid.

If you want this conflict to devolve into mobility cheese, this is exactly how you do it.

As opposed to the current strategy, which is "rune the entire world, mind paralyse anyone subverting, gather up a deathball and pull the Achaean equivalent of the Starcraft attack-move command"?

Your moral high ground in this argument is a few feet above Shallam.

I would like to point out that the runes all over the place are mine, and I've been pretty damn adamant and clear about the fact that I spread those against Gattan'bahar and have multiple times refused to use them against Ashtan and Mhaldor. I even contacted Anytus for assistance in removing them all once Gattan'bahar was no longer run around.

Edit: There was one incident where I accidently enemied a bunch of people forgetting about the runes, I promptly unenemied them all and apologized oocly.

Zenui

Subverting/gathering a splinter is an action that's announced to the entire area. Why bother having that happen at all if the only thing either side is supposed to do in the meantime is shrug and wait for it to finish? For that reason alone, being off-limits while subverting a splinter as a non-Avatar just seems silly to me.

Dunn

I've just been barging subverters and then subverting it myself.

Zulah

@Datrius yeah your runes hit me a bunch but i said oh well its an open pk area git gud Zulah

Datrius

Zulah said:

@Datrius yeah your runes hit me a bunch but i said oh well its an open pk area git gud Zulah

When was this? Like the other night in Granite hills? Cause I've had my enemy list empty since then to avoid this.

Cooper

Morthif said:

Cooper said:

Morthif said:

Okay, Rory's was the only off main continent anyway I think. Not sure what Cooper is crying about then. Deucalion's entrance super easy to block 

There are several shrines in temples and cities, while some are out of cities and/or in hard to reach or hard to defend locations.

That would be most of them 

That's exactly the problem! A few shrines have protection/ability to relinquish easily, while most of the rest don't. Why is that hard to understand?

Datrius

Cooper said:

Morthif said:

Cooper said:

Morthif said:

Okay, Rory's was the only off main continent anyway I think. Not sure what Cooper is crying about then. Deucalion's entrance super easy to block 

There are several shrines in temples and cities, while some are out of cities and/or in hard to reach or hard to defend locations.

That would be most of them 

That's exactly the problem! A few shrines have protection/ability to relinquish easily, while most of the rest don't. Why is that hard to understand?

I feel ya. Aegis temple has badass roaming Aegean Knights that have been completely useless to me

Morthif

Who besides Aurora is in a city?

Verrucht

Morthif said:

Who besides Aurora is in a city?

Scarlatti is in a city. Babel is in an order-only place. I think Deucalion is in an order-only place? There's a list.

Atalkez

Been complaining about the rules for 2 days.

Disappointed.

Adeleine

Zulah said:

Subvert should be open pk hands down. Honestly shardfall should just come with a msg like Annwyn. THIS AREA IS OPEN PK FOR THE NEXT X MINUTES. Anyone subverting has actively choosen to participate in pvp. Saying dont touch me until i get my god power to kill you with is a bit over the top

So what happens when splinters drop in a bashing area like Azdun or Moghedu? Instant death for any lowbie there not participating in the event and trying to bash?

Atalkez

Subvert Deucalion>activate incinerate>profit 

Torinn

Adeleine said:

Zulah said:

Subvert should be open pk hands down. Honestly shardfall should just come with a msg like Annwyn. THIS AREA IS OPEN PK FOR THE NEXT X MINUTES. Anyone subverting has actively choosen to participate in pvp. Saying dont touch me until i get my god power to kill you with is a bit over the top

So what happens when splinters drop in a bashing area like Azdun or Moghedu? Instant death for any lowbie there not participating in the event and trying to bash?

Display in BIG CLEAR LETTERS that the area is now an OPEN PK ZONE and that if they don't want to die they should leave.  Simple as.  The event isn't permanent, they can come back when it's done.