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Keep in mind we have way more dragons than ever before, and more getting it weekly.
Top end gold production is a big big factor. I'd say arguing numbers (when you have none) against someone who has everything isn't a great idea.
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This month would have been great for regular sales with all these ridiculously cool armor changes, but the fact that I can buy exactly what I want from carts kinda removes the need to buy credits. Why buy 500 credits when I only need 450 cr worth of toys?
I have very little free cash in Rl (mature student.. no loans.. omg dead. Also.. half way through the month the £ got really weak for some reason
I came out well ahead out of the globe promo (rolls around in giant pile of stuff) and am pretty sure I had enough globes bought in my name to pay several peoples wages this month.
Please don't take globes away... I loves them... I'll pay 8000 ish gold for credits with only a little wincing
It could be capped identically, something like 1,400,000 gold a week or 2,500,000 gold an Achaean year. But at least this wouldn't be tangibly felt unless you aggressively bash every day. Therefore the cap wouldn't affect those who bash for gold occasionally, whether on their weekends or just when they have time.
So as @Jhui mentioned it still allows people to go autistic when they can, and only hurts those who do this every day.
Just an idea!
I don't know to what extent other players actually dump their gold into things like housing or design, so maybe I'm way off base, but I still am holding out for more gold-based quality of life/fun items. The collectible stuff and useful talisman sets are really great but so much of it (talisman pieces, pets, figurines,etc) are bought OOCly through promotions or traded ICly with credits. Coming up with more of these types of things to buy ICly with gold would make me super happy AND for the most part wouldn't widen the gap between rich and poor/casual/newbie since having a huge house or a ridiculous NDS list doesn't make me better at hunting or combat the way buying credits for arties and skills does.
Gold circulation is just important because more often than not, it puts gold into the hands of those who will tend to participate in activities that sink it. One problem that's really affected this is how poorly people value their time in terms of curative generation etc.
Inks and curatives are the most high demand item on the market, yet due to automation etc, people are willing to throw their time away by charging (for example) a paltry 5gp per potash. It would be great if merchants raised their prices in solidarity. Not just because our time should demand it but also because of the horrible gold->credit exchange rate (credits being the so-called true currency of the game). Unfortunately, there's always that one fool who will proceed to undercut everyone and destroy these prices for the sake of a fast profit.
At the end of the day, gold generation is the faucet that has to be adjusted to match average consumption, in order to keep the economy in something resembling balance, and obviously that adjustment has to take place at the high levels. And really, I just can't fathom the level of wealth generation that has apparently been going on. I have played for over a decade, and while I am largely unartefacted and don't consider myself an avid hunter, I don't hunt weak things and I'm pretty efficient about it when I do hunt, and I still top out at about 30k/hr.
When folks are complaining about 150-300k a day, I don't feel like we're playing the same game. I would have to bash for 5-10 hours straight to match that. I have trouble wrapping my head around how you could be generating that kind of money, or for how long you must be bashing at a time, and literally have trouble coming up with ways to spend that much money on a regular basis. (Kinda like doctors, CEOs, and celebrities in real life)
So I don't know. Might be a painful belt-tightening for some, but sometimes the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, and it sounds like the few have been blowing the many out of the water for a while now.
I have a hard time imagining the level of wealth that some folks have accumulated, but I can do 50k-70k an hour in Annwyn/UW for example - I generally top out at 40k an hour on the mainland or Meropis though because Annwyn/UW are so often hunted out. Most of my gold still comes from selling credits due to lack of time to hunt (and lately semi-dormancy due to health issues). Also, the new ship trades make me want to do gold trades since they are actually a somewhat decent ROI, so I've been putting a bit of time into that.
I get that large-scale gold sinks like what I was discussing are optional, and so aren't a definitive solution, but I think in addition to the cap on gold generation they could potentially help - I'm not suggesting them as the only solution by any means.
No one is arguing that having credit only sales are better for your bottom line. You've been pretty clear that the directions the promotions have taken is because they perform much better.
We are saying the credit market, cities, houses, (and mentors - that's a new one I'm throwing in now) have suffered because of lack of credits from the promotions that have been run (that are all really cool and fun!).
In the 2 days of July, the credit market has already gone down an average of 200-400 gold depending on what time of day you look. In June I struggled to find ANY credits below 9000, since July 1st there has been more than enough credits for everyone at sub 9000 prices, and a lot hitting 8600.
We understand you are a business and need money. We're asking that you look at different ways of giving the bonuses to houses, cities, and mentors that have dropped off significantly due to the style of promotions that have been run. And to also find some way to adjust the credit market so new and old players alike can grow their characters at the speed they used to.
From my logs that start early January 2014 to January 1st 2016 the credit market hovered around 6000-6500, with some time down to 5500 and some times close to 7k.
January 1st, 2016 starts an upward trend - starting at 6k flat, averaging over 6.5k by the 15th, 6700 by the 30th.
February - hovered around 6500 most of the month
March - broke 7k early in the month, ended hovering at 7300
April - broke 8k by the 28th according to my logs, could have happened sooner
May - hovered just over 8k most of the month, spiking to 8.4k a few times.
June - hovered at 8.9k with several long spikes to 9.3-9.4k
During those months a lot of things changed with gold generation.
My time scale is a bit iffy, but ahmetite and the golden braid were significantly nerfed. Some classes were buffed in bashing but a lot were nerfed. In the end that probably balanced out to be a bit of an overall buff.
Since my logs went back as far as 2014, and showed that credits hovered at or very close to 6000 gold for 2 years, it's a pretty good indicator that high end gold generation wasn't influencing it that much.
Since January 1, however, we haven't had a strictly "credits only" sale - which we all have been told are bad sales for IRE, we get that! However, the gold increases very highly correlate with the promotions, rather than bashing.
Also of some note, battlerage was a plus and minus for gold generation - minus in that artefacted players/dragons generate gold slower due to artefacts and stats not affecting battlerage damage and generation. Plus because instead of bashing the sidhe in 7 minutes and generating 21k gold and moving on to the next area I bash sidhe in X time (haven't measured honestly) but generate more gold, allowing more mob uptime and more people being able to bash.
Anyway, this has been kind of long winded without a lot of direction, but the point I'm trying to make is that while people can say the credit market is fucked because of gold generation, it's pretty clear that gold generation is a much, much smaller part than the promotions that have been run.
So at this point more gold was coming in significantly. Coincides pretty well with your timeline that gold generation is becoming a problem, reflected in CFS prices rising. Didn't solve the problem then because still had a small handful of people bringing in huge amounts of gold and hoarding credits off CFS.
Didn't you yourself say you instant-bought all credits under a certain price and instantly resold them? You really can't complain about CFS or try to make points with the data when you're personally trying to make the market rise via your actions. Just sayin.
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