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It's a good nerf just because bashing was the best gold generator, but it may just turn into the same dragons taking over the other areas of the game. May just need more daily/weekly/monthly, autoable or non-autoable objectives that reward in straight credits (small amounts so people still want to buy credits) so people don't feel like they can't afford credits if they only play a small amount of time, but still feel they need to login to get these rewards.
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The gambling promotions, obviously, had an adverse impact on the credit market. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to attempt to say this isn't part of the issue. It is. However, credits were still available, and there are credits still available. So the gambling promotions didn't decimate the market.
What did, however, was the sudden need of high-level people to get lessons - where they weren't needing those before (multiclass). Now, suddenly, anyone who wanted another class was forced to purchase it through credits (assuming no brainer was gone already), which leads to them attempting to purchase more than they would have prior. I think it's also a logical leap to say that the majority of people buy their credits IG, not OOC - which, with the arties/knowledge they now commanded a larger portion of the pie.
Couple this with the influx of new players, artied, aiming to get higher level and further augment their arties (retirement), and then obviously the promotions, and we've had a steady increase in CFS prices for the last 6 months.
I still am of the opinion that removing credit > lessons swaps, and putting them entirely on a gold market would relive the credit market of a really big drain that isn't going anywhere.
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I just hit the gold cap. I made about 150k in the last 4 hours of bashing.
Seconds later the cap seems to be gone again. Wtf?
/edit: Cap is back again. But only on some kills. 20 gold from a mhun knight, 360 from a keeper.
Small is < 100 if I recall correctly.
Also, why not introduce powerful non-perma things that can only be bought via a ridiculous amount of gold? Some people (not me) enjoy the aspect of farming stuff to make their characters stronger, which is a common aspect of most MMORPG games.
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- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
But it is only part of the equation. The value of gold is always compared to credit prices, when gold drops in value we notice it because credit prices go up and this is partially a result of a surplus of gold but the other half of the equation is a shortage of credits for sale. Back to back promotions where people spend RL money they would have normally spent on credits on gamble-promotions causes a massive shortage on the number of credits available on the market, which means prices rise as demand remains constant and supply decreases this devaluing gold. The proof is in the pudding, credit prices have risen 50% as a result.
We're giving away too many bound credits. Everything is bound now, ship trade credits are bound, globe credits are bound, we get customization figurines that are bound instead of credits we can sell. Talisman pieces redeemed are bound. Artefact upgrade credits and discount vouchers are all just different forms of bound credits. Is there any way to get credits in any of the promotions or quests or anything IG where you can get credits that aren't bound? Cities receive zero credits from these promotions which means less revenue in the cities which means credit prices go up or fewer credits are sold or we start making people work more to bring in more revenue to run the day to day expenses of the city.
If you truly do think that the devaluing of gold is bad for everyone (which you stated in bold earlier in this thread) then we should make the amount of credits available to be put on the market go up by turning some of the bound credit rewards into unbound credit rewards. This will help bring the value of gold us just as fast or faster than just capping the amount of gold generated.
As is it takes realistically 400-500 hours of bashing at 25k per hour for someone to trans their first class when you factor in having to purchase curatives and armour and weapons and that is if they spent no credits on artefacts or customizations or ships or houses. That can't be great for new player retention. I'm a strategy guy, when I play a new game I start calculating what kind of time investment I'll have to make before I "unlock" the content I really want to play with and if I were to sit down at a MUD and realize that I'm going to have to spend 500 hours before I'm actually playing for real or spend a few hundred dollars I'm out to find another game. That could just be me but I have a feeling I'm not the only one.
That seems... disingenuous?
25k per hour, at current prices of 10k per cr would mean 21.25 per hour.
Assume 1738 per skills. 5214 lessons. That's about 246 hours. So already your total is wildly inflated by 100%. You mentioned curatives and weapons and armor. That's trivial. Add in another hour or two. 248.
But wait, you get lessons and credits for leveling up. Let's say Logosian, which is a nice, perk laden level that's not too crazy to get to. You get 200 bound credits total from leveling up from 1- 80, and roughly 395 lessons. So that's another 1495 lessons. If you take that into account, then you only need to bash gold for 175 hours.
Now, you mentioned 'few hundred dollars' as an alternative to '500 hours'. So, I'm going to assume that these 'few hundred dollars' are strictly to trans skills.
But that's not really true either: two no-brainer packages are twenty dollars, and the credit package is fifty dollars (since this is the person's first class, we can assume they can those options available to them).
That's 2000 lessons and 300 cr, plus five tickets (let's set their value at 10cr per, conservatively).
So that's 3860 lessons, which reduces the total we need to buy gold for to about 1358 -- which, tellingly, is less than the amount we'd get from bashing to Logosian.
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So it's either: bash for 248 hours, or, spend seventy dollars and bash to a level that you should be bashing to anyways.
But to cite certain numbers and then derive an incorrect conclusion to further an argument (the cost of entry being unbearably high, because, x y z) is disingenuous.
The cost of entry /isn't/ from a real money/time perspective. It may be if you're just going to grind up, I won't disagree, but that's what increasing the bound credit rewards to leveling up and no-brainers were for -- because I imagine IRE admin noticed this issue and implemented those features however many years ago to address this exact issue.
You can't tri-trans yourself without buying credits from the market, or buying the packages from the website. You can't tri-trans through leveling alone.
Even if you could, if you want to participate in any facet of the game (Combat/Tradeskills/Seafaring) then you also need to various skills required for that (Survival, Avoidance, Tattoos, Vision, Miniskills for combat - Tradeskill - Sefaring) -- so while he may have been technically incorrect on the baseline requirements - it's not a stretch to say that to actually participate in any meaningful way in this game, you're essentially required to invest pretty heavily.
Edit: To put it into perspective, I can go buy an Xbox One for $300, a game for $60 and I'm golden on that game in perpetuity assuming no mechanical failures. $360 for a single game, single purchase unless they come out with DLC or something. Now, as much as I love Achaea, it's not Skyrim. That $360 is 1200cr in Achaea. That's a single artefact. The bar for entry is much, much higher for Achaea than it is for most modern gaming.
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All your arguments are valid Atalkez, but make assumptions and include things that Grandue didn't originally.
If he edited his post to change the gold per hour gain and then include all these other things you're mentioning, then sure, I'd probably have to delete my post.
The point is that it takes an extremely long amount of time to trans your skills and "unlock" your full class skills with the current credit prices, all time that is spent mindlessly grinding away which others have referenced as being "work" not "play" and that is time that isn't being spent studying lore or completing house or city requirements or joining and exploring new organizations or orders or seafaring or any of the other dozens of things that actually immurse people and get them "hooked" on Achaea and continuing to come around year after year. Granted, there are some crazy people who LOVE the mindless bashing non stop for 10 hours and continue to do so because they like it and that is enough to hook them on Achaea, but they make up a very small portion of the population. I think a reasonable time investment to trans your classes should be closer to 80-100 hours of bashing. Whether that is obtained by increasing the lessons/credits from leveling up or by increasing the credits available on the market at a lower price or some other way it doesn't matter. If we want to hook more people and get them sticking around the rewards for time need to come faster at the start and then slow down when they've had enough time to get hooked for the long haul.
The promo's, however, do need to be looked at, without question.
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