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Unartied, if you party things are alright, since xp and gold are more now to compensate for the number of people in the party. But if you solo it's gonna be rough.
Artied, it doesn't make a difference. Artied out high end bashing can still solo zap through places like nobody's business.
Apart from balancing it so unartied doesn't get punished that bad, we could also look at increasing party bonus xp and gold which further encourages party hunt and mitigates the rough ride. Sure we can kill places quicker in party, but the respawn rate remains the same, we can't do extended party hunting, but we can do 10-hour solo hunt, giving solo the best ROI. Give party hunt better bonuses, dragons may even bring people out on party.
EDIT: Buff unartied bashing, but don't fcking nerf artied bashing. We paid for it. That's all my confidence in the dollars invested in the game, don't disappoint real dollar folks.
As for the notion that we're going to make bashing more tedious, that's not the case or the intention, once everything is at the proper levels against each other, we can more accurately adjust the overall levels (most likely the denizen health multiplier) so that hunting is at a level where:
a) It flows at an acceptable pace.
b) There is time to use battlerage attacks, and to capitalise on them in group situations.
c) Acceptable gold and experience generation is achieved.
I understand the desire to become easier, especially if you became accustomed to running around as a knight with 85% damage reduction, and doing 150% of the damage of most other classes! But sadly, in some of these cases, this was too good to be true.
Rest assured though, we'll continue to tweak and refine the various classes and systems to ensure that bashing is and remains a fun activity in Achaea (as fun as it can be, anyway! :P)
I can see why, for people with lower health pools, less artefacts, etc, it would be frustrating, but if you could gain 5% xp and 5000 gold before by mowing through 10 mobs, you should get 5% xp and 5000 gold killing x mobs in the same time, it's just less mobs for the same time and reward.
Efficient bashing requires more than just "dor kill". Keneanung's script has some basic rage usage built in, but I still prefer to manual that part as sometimes I want to store the rage for an upcoming tough mob.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
(Don't hurt me, I'm sorry.)
Quick-minded + Aldar Diadem is about 2.9ish equilibrium. But it's not worth resetting your traits for quick mind and racial specs to an int spec just to hunt at the same rate as a squishier version of a 2-handed Runewarden.
The way I see it: my brain is off until the gold drops. A sidhe run used to give 8k gold. Now it gives 24k. I don't have to chance two other potentially bashed out hunting grounds. Any hunting ground you can't defend is not worth bashing.
The big disparity lies in low level bashing. It's crits that made me not feel any of these changes. Fortunately, 200cr gets you lv1 pendant - any reasonable player's first purchase.
Obviously we can't balance around unreasonable self imposed bashing restrictions. Or. Hm. Yes we can. Questing with restrictions on 'Feelings villages'. New project idea!
If you're checking curse v.s. jinx v.s. swiftcurse damage, make sure you don't have the def active for the first two.
Don't base it off of "I do 2% or 7% per attack", please. This doesn't account for how you've specced your stats, or how fast your attacks are, and it is a very rough estimate of your damage. That 2% could be 2.1% or it could be 2.9%.
If you're going to use % damage, that's fine, but please average it out over the whole life of a mob (or several if you crit), and include the speed or your attacks and how you've specced and your arties!
I love it. Battlerage could be more interesting, sure, but as soon as the class balance changes settle down it's likely they'll tweak or add things to battlerage.
The problem some people are facing is that pre-battlerage they were attacking and killing things that could actually out damage or kill them, but due to crits (or overpowered damage) the mob would die before the damage was noticeable. But now that the mobs last longer, people are going 'wow I can't even tank this'. This is a pretty big indicator you were bashing (and still are) higher level areas than you should have been.
Areas that people think aren't good enough to bash are gold mines now. Hardly anyone bashes "worthless" areas like lower Azdun, mhun guards/smaller stuff, Qurnok, etc. But I'm still bashing those as an artied level 105 dragon and it's worth my time. Sure, they aren't as good as UW or Annwyn, but you also don't have to have a veil and a gem to bash them.
People are also ignoring how bad it was before just trying to find an area to bash before. UW/Annwyn/Vertani/Mog were nearly perma cleared. I can't remember a time post-battlerage that I had to search for somewhere to bash. That is a pretty large xp/gold increase just by itself.
People are also underestimating group bashing right now. The limiting factor on battlerage damage solo is getting enough battlerage to use your damage abilities every cooldown. With a partner, not only can you bash harder things, you can use battlerage even more efficiently which means even more damage! And you'll also have someone to chat with so it's less boring.
Ferocious Manticore = 48 seconds from start to kill, 18 moves – 4 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 4%, avg battle rage attack 5%, avg damage received 449h, hit 12 times, chance of crit 3 out of 18 moves
Vicious Gnoll Soldier = 39 seconds, 13 moves – 2 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 7%, avg battle rage attack 5% dmg, avg crit attack 8%, avg damage received 325hp, hit 13 times, chance of crit 3 out of 13 moves
Squat Scrag = 41 seconds, 14 moves – 3 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 5%, avg battle rage attack 5% dmg, avg crit attack 8%, avg damage received 340 hp, hit 12 times, chance of crit 5 out of 14 moves
Red Scorpion = 68 seconds, 19 moves – 5 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 5%, avg battle rage attack 4%, avg crit attack 10%, avg damage received 598 hp, hit 16 times, chance of crit 4 out of 19 moves, afflicted 3 times, scorpion healed itself 3 times for 21% each time
Numbers difference between an assumed level 80 mob versus level 38.
Disclaimer: Using Svo custom prompt to measure, it could be wrong.
Goblin Guard = 37 seconds, 12 moves – 3 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 6%, avg battle rage attack 5%, avg damage received 221h, hit 7 times by denizen, chance of crit 4 out of 12 moves
Grizzly Bear = 78 Seconds, 24 moves – 5 of those battle rages, average non-crit attack 3%, avg battle rage attack 2%, avg damage received 766 hp, hit 21 times by denizen, chance of crit 1 out of 24 moves, had to flee 2 times
Curse Bleed was doing ~1.5% at around 1.4s with queueing.
Jinx Bleed Bleed was doing ~3% at around 1.85s with queueing.
-12/base intelligence.
--Was taking around 850-900 per hit, with Garon attuned.
Dragon gut was doing somewhere around 3%, at ~3s (think that's gut balance, going off memory)
-18/base strength
--Difference here, is that I'm only taking ~400 damage per hit..
Keepers were roughly the same, but only killed 2-3 of those. Damage is about double what the knights were though.