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This just makes me mad I didn't buy wings instead, because no one can cancel the clouds (except maybe @Tecton, and that'd be sad. Good thing April Fools is over!)
I don't understand why you would be doing something annoying in the first place. Remember, there should be more _splicing_ done than cancelling anyways.
And it isn't a way to start things with another faction. Like I said, there is very little that makes this an involved conflict between two cities. The attacking city gets to attack. The defending city doesn't realize they're being attacked until the entire warp hub is gone (if timed correctly).
2. You can't tell me if a Targossian serpent isn't caught in Petra that certain people of your city wouldn't automatically attack them.
That's presupposing things. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can call bullshit without it actually happening before. I don't know if you are aware, but Petra isn't defendable anymore. (Ashtani don't get cause for someone hunting Petrans)
3. You annot say you build it there out of the good of your heart otherwise you would've chosen a more neutral ground instead of a place that you are allied to.
Grandue and Ashtan leadership decided where the hub would be, I was the one that designed and asked Ashtani serpents to splice the hub. It was a perfectly neutral ground that had ZERO totems or defenses. I purposely did not splice any warps to enemy territory (one was to the Reaches, but it was a mistake that was not respliced). I don't see you hammering Mhaldor for having theirs on their red-fog place. I don't see why we should get hammered for choosing to build a hub for everyone to use in Petra.
I believe the point of the thread was that this warp cancelling nonsense is, in fact, nonsense. I couldn't give a rat's ass if the diplomatic gesture amounted to a middle finger and a fart in Targossas' general direction (not saying that's what happened. I don't know what happened). The warp splicing/cancelling mechanic is the problem and that's what we're talking about.
I tried to classlead it, but I was assured that the cancelling was player-caused only in the last day or so of the classlead period. Plus, I didn't really have an alternative that would have fixed the problem.
All jokes aside - again, that isn't the point. We can stop the forum RP on both sides and deal with the issue and hand. Hopefully we'll have a good idea at the end of the discussion that can be IDEA'd and implemented to stop griefing.
And yes, with the mechanics that are currently in place, I would dare call this griefing.
As mentioned earlier, one of the ideas is a serpent being able to 'empower' a warp such that they are warned when a warp is being destroyed. Some flavour text would be like 'you attune your body to vibrate in harmony with the wormhole'. And something like 'your body is wracked with a momentary spasm of pain, the warp at 'x' is under assault!" Another idea would be an artefact that would notify you if any warp in the area was being destroyed. My concept would be some sort of crystal attuned to the area and carried on your person. Yet another solution but on a different vein would be rather then requiring two serpents, change the code such that you can use an object (probably a crystal) as the focus to both splice and cancel a warp. Of these I actually favour the last the most.
--- They may have not agreed to a mutual alliance, but I haven't heard Ashtan remove their protection of Petrans. Also, it's Kyttin who brought up this warp hub being in a "non-neutral" area. I don't think it being in Petra matters one bit, everyone has access to it.
Those horses are awfully high.
I should add IF he was a bit disagreeable in his demeanor, it would make me wonder how they've interacted with him and treated him in the past.
His supposed conflict resolution this time around was...not decent, nor agreeable, nor actually diplomacy. Grandue is welcome to speak to this if he wants to. I just wasn't about to let it look like he's been the stand-up guy on this one. He hasn't. And I was perfectly willing to let that stay IC until he posted about his IC attempts at "diplomacy."
He was not "a bit disagreeable," and I have never treated him poorly in the past. Your assessment of the situation is just, in this case, entirely inaccurate.
ETA: not to mention that it has little to do with the topic at hand. If there's an issue with wormhole canceling mechanics, fine. But the forum roleplay is goofy - his attempts or non-attempts at IC resolution isn't relevant at all, not sure why he even brought it up.
The contention comes from Grandue continuing a pattern of saying one thing on the forums that paints him in a flattering light, when the honest truth of the matter is conpletely different.
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One of the proposals was treating it similarly to totem empowerment. However, fixing totems is still far easier than fixing wormholes, and can be done by one person. Perhaps cancelling wormholes should come with some sort of penalty to the player doing the cancelling. I'd thought maybe a massive willpower hit would be doable, but they could just kill themselves to reset it. Otherwise, it would be interesting if having a certain amount of willpower was required to do the cancelling, so one couldn't easily go on a cancelling spree by doing one after another immediately. Something along these lines might be fair considering putting the wormholes back up requires a large time commitment by two people, which isn't always easy to achieve.
But again, maybe its not even Targossas, and if it is, maybe they have a legitimate reason. What do I know.
edit: Lolol. I just read the log of this supposed "diplomacy" that transpired between Grandue and Quisse. No offense @Grandue, but even Antidas can be more diplomatic than that, and thats saying something. He's not exactly known for being the most caring of people! I legitimately cracked up at how absurd you were being when I read the log though, so thanks for the laughs.
Ashtan moved the hub because people were using it to warp into the city to afk radiance/displace people (looking at you, Proficy) - there was little other reasons to move it. When originally discussed, it was even shot down the first time, until more deaths happened.
I wasn't a part of any cancelling, nor was I a part of any negotiations of a ceasefire. While I do agree that something can be done mechanically to make the situation more balanced in terms of time spent on offense/defense, I also feel like this needs pointed out.
Targossas and Ashtan are enemies. While every attempt will be made to keep the situations fun for all involved, at the end of the day the onus is not on anyone in particular to "be the better man". This particular point not-withstanding, the public face that Grandue has portrayed (all the shaming of losing MoW, etc) - why should any Targossian be respectful when dealing with him? From an IC standpoint, any diplomacy from the North should be laughed at and cast aside. You don't get to sling mud then ask for a towel to clean your hands from the people you slung the mud at.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Also, where has Targossas been diplomatic? Using a log that was obtained OOC and posting about it on public and making fun of Grandue and Ashtan for it and still continually making fun of them, and Grandue is the only one slinging mud? At least they handled that with enough grace without anyone getting shrubbed, especially the person who sent that particular log after obtaining it OOC.
However, no one is priveledged for anything in this game. Paying 800c doesn't mean you'll always be able to warp as a non-serpent. Those things aren't magically there and infallable.
You might not like the reasoning behind it, but there is nothing wrong/illegal with destroying warps. In fact, if you're not good at PK and you want to really get under peoples skin, this seems to be a good way to do it. Don't let Dajio find out.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.