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Actually that's a lie.
I dunno what you guys did with the monsters, but everything is awful now. Everything. Stuff that was do-able with strategy 24 hours ago has now been turned into an unreasonable curbstomp battle. Except the baby monsters, but those are also awful because they're not worth the ammo and time you throw at them.
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That being said, the rewards are pretty bad for the time investment/risk involved on most of the seamonsters. I admit I haven't killed one of the super big legendary ones yet so I don't know what they are like. The novelty of hunting them is strong right now but if this is meant to be a regular seafaring activity, it's going to need to pay just a little bit better, or maybe the price of ammo needs to come down just a bit.
Overall the implementation seems pretty solid and I admit that some of my original concerns expressed in other threads have proven unfounded. The placement of the monsters does not appear to mess up other seafaring activities. If I have one complaint about the system though, it is that you don't want to move around while you fight them for fear of them vanishing... although looking over the latest announcement maybe that was already taken care of?
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This is monster hunting. Giant ass sea monsters larger and stronger than damn near anything on land. Not Ship bashing.
It doesn't need to be dragon bashing level, but if I spent an hour in the (hardest) sea monster areas, I'd want to be making maybe 30-40k (just for me personally, not to be split between everyone involved) to keep my interest and justify the risks and costs involved when the novelty wears off. That means that if you need, say, two ships with five crew members each (I have no idea about Seafaring, just throwing out numbers) that the number of sea monsters you kill in that hour has to give you a total of 300-400k gold.
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Grandiosity and coolness aside, practicality in execution is also a factor, at the end of the day. You shouldn't be able to take on monsters in a solo crewed strider (or cutter for that matter), but you should be able to take at least mid to starting upper tier with the most common permutation of player-crew size for a strider.
I'm concerned about the two sided development going on here. On the one side, making player crew members required to kill the really big seamonsters is a good thing IF the rewards justify it for everyone involved. After all, if you know their spawning zones, you can go kill them with a group of friends whenever it works out for peoples playing schedules.
But on the other side, there is how these changes are going to affect the mechanics of ship to ship combat. If everyone on a ship can fire a weapon at the same time, you'll have combat boil down to one round auto-locks. And that isn't fun. In that situation, the aggressor gets a group together to go hunt victims whenever the playing schedules of those involved happen to sync up. The victims however will almost always be alone since the economics of seafaring make it pretty unrealistic to go out with a player crew on a regular basis. Not to mention the OOC scheduling. Its one thing if you are out to actively hunt other ships, but its another to keep people entertained while fishing or trading. Those simply aren't fun group activities and they aren't rewarding for a group.
Solo play is the dominate style on the seas, with occasional team-ups. Building around any other expectation is unrealistic. With cutters being deemed "useless" by most of the playerbase at the moment, I'd hate to see striders go the same way for solo captains. I think that would be the final nail, as they say.
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Regarding ship stuff in general, is it similar to Lusternia's aetherships? That used to be a really fun group bashing option, and even newbies could hop in, tangibly help (versus just sitting leeching) and benefit. How is it the same/different? I'm guessing it's not as friendly to newbies, as the skillset seems hidden (not on AB, HELP SEAFARING doesn't say how to get it).
Bonus Edit:
This description makes me thing of this:
Could be something like, 1.5x points to whoever is commanding the ship, 1x points to whoever assist. It could be more complicated, of course, and the points would ideally vary, less for the easier monsters, more for the harder ones, but in case I think it'd be fun.
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...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Alternatively - we have the plaque dude in Thera who will mount a fish for you - is there any possible way we could get something of a display case for the various seamonster trophies? Or perhaps release something in SoW that lets you collect and display the whole set?
Who cares whether or not it works if it looks good?
(kidding, of course - I meant this to get added way down the to-do list, after functionality has been adjusted accordingly)
Date: 01/25/2016 at 16:37
From: Mortori
To : Everyone
Subj: Seamonster/Ship Changes
- Killing seamonsters will now grant crewmate experience to denizen crews, in addition to shipmate experience.
- Denizen crew experience from seamonster kills will now be shared amongst all ships that have recently participated (by firing a weapon at the seamonster) in the fight against the seamonster.
- Adventurer experience from seamonster kills will now be shared amongst all ships that have recently participated in the kill, divided amongst the adventurers who participated in seamonster combat.
- Adventurers will now be eligible for seamonster experience by: loading a weapon, firing a weapon, invoking a useful seaspell, executing a navigational command, dousing a fire on deck, dousing a fire in the sails, clearing a weapon, clearing the figurehead, or clearing the sails,
- Ship weapons can no longer be fired at a seamonster multiple times simultaneously.
- Firing a ship weapon will no longer completely reset the aiming time of other weapons on the ship; it will now only add a few seconds on to the remaining aiming time.
- Firing a ship weapon against a seamonster will now incur the same aiming loss to other ship weapons as if the weapon had been fired against another ship.
Interesting and I like being able to give experience to those that help in other ways. Thanks!
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Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Edit: Also did they clear sails fully? I know I was getting tripped up on clearing the rigging because I thought the second message meant the job was done but really there was a few more seconds to go.