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  • Sarapis
    Sarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    Watchman said:


    Seriously though, any considerations at this point towards swapping back to wood? 
    Definitely not. The instant that happened, what we'd hear is, "Now there are many less lodes to mine" too.
    Dochitha
  • Skye
    Skye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,171 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Pretty sure I've not really made any money out of this but I'm still having fun. Especially as ongoing adjustments are made. Building networks and cultivating relationships have really helped, especially as a rogue miner in the face of the larger city-based coalitions.

    Lode addiction is worse than drug addiction. You should see some of us practically crawling on the ground desperate for some/any lode. >_>


    MelodieRangorSarapis
  • Sarapis
    Sarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    I'm curious: Is anyone rigorously tracking their inputs and outputs via spreadsheet for their mining activities? 
  • Lisbethae
    Lisbethae Member Posts: 176 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited August 2015
    Yes. I know a couple people that are, shall I nudge them your way, @Sarapis ?


    Unaffiliated mining rave - I finally got something other than coal!
  • Greys
    Greys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 771 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited August 2015
    @Sarapis I mostly track my costs per commodity (iron costing 53 gold to produce, etcetera) to make sure I am making a respectable profit when I sell the finished goods. I could tell at the start many people were selling the commodities for a loss and just waited it out or purchased for resale later.
  • Sena
    Sena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:
    I think only the moguls and the people who got platinum early are the only people to have made any significant profit, following Sena's metric posted earlier.
    It sounds like something I'd do, but I don't remember posting anything like that.
  • Sarapis
    Sarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    Lisbethae said:
    Yes. I know a couple people that are, shall I nudge them your way, @Sarapis ?


    Unaffiliated mining rave - I finally got something other than coal!
    Nah, no need, was just curious how serious people are taking trying to turn a profit. @Greys answer was what I was looking for. 
  • Greys
    Greys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 771 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    @Daeir I gave a cost breakdown for stone in this thread earlier which was explaining why they are unlikely to ever see stone for 35 gold each again. I have made a profit with mining but I still have made more overall trading wood.  I still think playing the commodity market has a greater capacity for revenue though I lack the interest to invest significant time monitor more than a few commodities. Its one of those things that interests me as a player but doesn't entirely resonate with my concept for my character.
  • Sena
    Sena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:
    I vaguely remember something approaching a cost-effectiveness for mine sizes, which pretty much billed most things as a loss at the time. Unless I'm confabulating. Which I might be.

    I swear someone posted something like that.
    I said that if you ignore cost, larger mines are always better, so mine size only depends on whether the benefits are worth the extra cost to you. But I never went into detail on when it is or isn't worth it or how you'd decide, or anything at all specific.
  • Ruth
    Ruth SingaporeMember Posts: 2,700 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I didn't invest money into mining to make a profit, but I'm pretty sure I've invested more than 700k into mine maintenance funds. I also haven't sold all of what I've mined though, so there's that.
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  • Kez
    Kez Member Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I have a spreadsheet for investments, gains, and commodity stores(attached to my tailoring/cooking/forging/etc spreadsheet), and a mine size, lode size, product type cost calculator attached to my mining assault simulator.
    SarapisVerrucht
  • Xer
    Xer LangleyMember Posts: 804
    I just kept track of total profits. Also, I've made 4 million off normal commodities, and an extra 2 million off platinum. Then you have to subtract mining expenses, but an overall profit, even when you don't include the fact that I still have over 30k commodities mined that I'm still slowly selling.
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  • Medi
    Medi Member Posts: 94
    I keep an eye on cost per comm produced, pretty much guesstimating and always rounding up. I'm sure that I'm breaking even, and probably making a decent amount of profit. I also have had to horde a decent amount of comms while the market was diluted with people who.. apparently didn't care about profits at all.
  • Sarapis
    Sarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    Sorry to those who don't like the mining system but hearing some of these replies makes me a little giddy. It's exactly what I'd hoped for with mining!
    MediPraxides
  • Skye
    Skye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,171 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Any chance we'll see new rare minerals in the future? I guess the current ones more or less cover most of the bases, but would be cool to see other things that do little things like temporary dashing/extra movement or allow you to shout like a temp ram's horn. They'll probably go for a lot cheaper than the current ones. 


    Melodie
  • Draekar
    Draekar Member Posts: 314 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    If you mine the right things in the right way and use the market wisely you can mine at a good profit. If you have any tradeskills that require commodities you maximise this further by not having to pay others for those commodities as well.

    The system works fine and the spawns seem to be a lot better now in terms of timezone spread.

    The only bug bear I have is that I don't think the multiple nerfs to mine conflict were the best option to level the playing field. It does means mines are 99% safe now and so there isn't a reason for most people to claim anymore. This makes mining a lot cheaper overall but ruins it for stronghold holders. Conflict will still happen, I am sure but I doubt most top (or any) miners will find situations where it is worth it to throw soldiers away attacking anymore.

    A better option might have been to just make small mines less cost efficient and "violence free" this would have given new miners a way in to train up soldiers while leaving the open mining community able to engage in meaningful conflict.
    MediSiduriDochitha
  • Melodie
    Melodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,185 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2015
    @Sarapis, it was mentioned a while ago about agreeing in putting in "groups" (or reforming armies, or something) to basically allow you to deploy groups of squads at a time (instead of having to do squad 1, 2, 3, etc for say, miners). It was also asked (by someone whose name I can't recall much earlier in the thread) that if RECALL ALL could have a MINE option (to recall all squads from a certain mine only).

    Are either of these possibilities anytime soon? I mean, I'm sure I could whip up a little alias or two, but wondering if I should just wait for the actual (much less spammy) commands first.

    Edit to add in actual post quote:

    Sarapis said:
    Medi said:
    Can we have more groups, similar to the army? So we can have miners in groups, soldiers in groups, and then possibly a 'deploy group# here' command to deploy entire said group in current room (If it fits)?
    Yep, we can add something like this. Makes sense.

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  • Kez
    Kez Member Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    That's been added. You can create and deploy an army.
  • Melodie
    Melodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,185 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2015
    You can create/deploy armies of soldiers. Not miners, though.

    Edit: Oh, one further thing! Would also be really, really, really nice to be able re-order the numbers on LEGION LIST, sort of like how you can re-order messages to start from 1 via a command. These are all tiny little changes, but quality of life stuff is always nice.
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  • Deladan
    Deladan Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Uh I have no idea how to mine. Seems complex. Explain? 

  • Dochitha
    Dochitha Member Posts: 1,475 @ - Epic Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    (And, and I'm monitoring the stone situation, and ramped up stone production earlier today, though stone at 35 is probably not going to happen.)
    Stone is at 200g a piece now on the market. The rate has to go up more? I need to build houses...
  • Sarapis
    Sarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    It's going up, but curiously, it's so far making no difference. Continuing to adjust. I suspect there are some short-term hoarding issues going on.
    Dochitha
  • Watchman
    Watchman Member Posts: 75
    Sarapis said:
    It's going up, but curiously, it's so far making no difference. Continuing to adjust. I suspect there are some short-term hoarding issues going on.
    Yeah, I know I am hoarding what little I have, as I need to consider both hoarding some for housing and also having a stockpile for mining.
  • Tharvis
    Tharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Watchman keep enough stone for two large mines, don't hoard the rest, spend the rest instantly on housing credits. Keep the number of 'available' stone as low as possible - might see more lodes this way
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  • Ruth
    Ruth SingaporeMember Posts: 2,700 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That's probably a good idea- to spend the stone on housing credits instantly. Seriously though, it's sitting at 200 gold in the comm market though?
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  • Skye
    Skye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,171 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Stone                               160gp                    100

    still a ridic price. Not even wood went up that high when we were using wood. 


  • Basileios
    Basileios Member Posts: 49 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Okay guys.  Here's how you get Wood Commodities.. You go to the Aalen.. Ask the Lumberjack for an axe... then proceed to butcher Forest/Jungle rooms for commodities until Nature enemies you.

    In all seriousness, I kinda wanted to join in on Mining, but the upstart costs are ridiculous, and you HAVE to break even or make money ((Not including random attacks because HOI THERE))...  So, essentially, you have to be part of a big city/mining clan to get comms proper.  And Making houses got kind of ridiculous because now you can't get stone anywhere but mines... so you need coal to refine rawstone into stone, which requires a minecamp... So basically, to ever have a house it's kinda "Let me bleed you dry" until you can afford 1-2 rooms... or something similar.

    Mining is complicated and ruined muh immurshun.
  • Rangor
    Rangor Member Posts: 3,308 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Basileios said:
    Okay guys.  Here's how you get Wood Commodities.. You go to the Aalen.. Ask the Lumberjack for an axe... then proceed to butcher Forest/Jungle rooms for commodities until Nature enemies you.

    In all seriousness, I kinda wanted to join in on Mining, but the upstart costs are ridiculous, and you HAVE to break even or make money ((Not including random attacks because HOI THERE))...  So, essentially, you have to be part of a big city/mining clan to get comms proper.  And Making houses got kind of ridiculous because now you can't get stone anywhere but mines... so you need coal to refine rawstone into stone, which requires a minecamp... So basically, to ever have a house it's kinda "Let me bleed you dry" until you can afford 1-2 rooms... or something similar.

    Mining is complicated and ruined muh immurshun.
    Mining is pretty cool, but the comm spawn rates need some tuning still. Took a long time to tune in commshops as well.
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  • Trey
    Trey Member Posts: 4,890 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    This just in, selling 70k stone at a 10g per discount, 150 per!

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