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Does this mean the effort to hit "max" is now less effort, or is it only compressed numbers and it will require the same amount of effort to reach level 10 as it did 20, no matter what?
Aka, is this change to help people get into mining easier, or is it simply to make the numbers less complex overall?
Edit: Also signs, wooooo! :hurrah:
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
It's to effectively increase the cost (measured in time to build up the squads used) of attacking low level legions with higher ones.
Cyrenian > read sign
This meteor-sized mine is owned by Dochitha.
Mhaldorian > read sign
You don't understand a single word on the sign.
Also, I missed out on the recent relode(s). But I played in a pretty great show - pictures will be trickling in.
The problem would be if mine ownership changed hands quickly. Imagine having to be the person to deal with things like:
You have received message 1: From Person A - Got a mine at 'this place here'
"Ok, time to update project 43-B."
Several minutes later:
You have received message 2: From Person A - Wait, scratch that, someone took my mine.
"-sigh- -reverts update"
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
So, short answer: no.
On the matter of signs: one reason it's nice to have names on them again is you can attempt to buy out a mine again.
It only surveys up to 5 rooms away from the camp instead of 6. It basically makes surveying pointless if you have to still go to all of those rooms on the outskirts of the mining area to prospect them.
Also, making mining have an annual licensing fee of 250k-500k gold or something, there has to be a way to sink more gold out of the game. Perhaps a 5 year license for 1-2 million? If people were continually needing to drop a million gold at a time this would help the credit market go down a bit while at the same time cut down on the number of people searching for lodes which would result is less whining and crying.
Right now every single person in the whole world has free, unlimited access to mining. Mining is absolutely a trade, whether officially listed as such or not, it involves creating an item with a small cost and skill and selling them. Look at all of the trades together.
Jewelry
Weaponsmithing
Armoursmithing
Cooking
Tailoring
All of three concoctions skills
Inkmilling
Heraldry
Augmentation
Conjuration
Gathering
Shopkeeping
Mining
If we don't start charging a licensing fee for mining then I suggest we make it a trade skill. How is that pants-on-head crazy? I would just be putting it in line with everything else. I understand your frustration with not wanting to have to pay for something. I too would like to have free access to everything I want, but that doesn't really solve some of the problems we have in the game.
Also, just shame on you for saying that I'm only saying that because of some imagined advantage on my part that you don't have, as if I have something that is unavailable to you or everyone else for that matter. I wish that there was a start up cost at the very beginning, it wouldn't have changed anything for me any more than it would if it were introduced now.
So mining should not be a tradeskill. At all. Nonononono.
It is, however, a source of income with similarities to harvesting. There is a lot of competition with herbs and minerals. There is a more hard coded limit to the supply, however it does differ in other ways that making it a trade skill still wouldn't make sense, which is why I suggested an annual license. That way you still have skin in the game if you're going to try to turn a profit from mining. Sure, whatever, you've got a startup cost of 1,000gp per squad and then a commodity cost for each mine but hell that is nothing. Someone can sit on a legion for 20 years and just occasionally scout for a mine and maybe get lucky every once in a while with a large platinum mine or something. I would like to see some kind of continual cost to mining so that if you're going to mine, you have to be mining, not just occasionally looking once a week to see if you can cherry pick something that just popped that no one has found yet. Monthly wages for soldiers and miners or an annual license that people can purchase that would be priced high enough that if they are only going to have 1 mine a year they will be losing money but if they're actively grabbing loses and mining it doesn't kill their profits.
But, Sarapis said no to increased startup costs to mining, so it doesn't look like the license route is an option. It is what it is, I know they have a better grasp on what is going on and what is best and if they think having no ongoing costs to mining is best for the economy in Achaea then they're probably right.
For herbs, most anywhere you're going to harvest will be at Sparse, but you can still harvest a ridiculous amount by going room to room given that rooms don't run out anymore and there's no such thing as overharvesting.
For minerals, there's no scarcity mechanic at all.
The way mining is set up makes it very different from any of the tradeskills, economically speaking. Assuming you can turn a profit with any of the tradeskills (mostly depending on whether you can find a place to sell the stuff you make), they're essentially just a way to convert time into money. Mining is a way to convert time, luck, and decision-making into money. It doesn't need a license or anything because everything you do in the system removes gold from the game - even if you're making gold from mining, you're getting that gold from players, not from more gold being added to the world, and the money you spent setting up your mines and hiring your labourers and guards is still being removed from the world. Even if everyone involved in mining were turning a profit, it would still be a huge gold sink.