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I like the idea of beginning miners buying a "starter pack" with somewhat higher lvl'd miners so they have a chance to compete.
I see what Xinna says about no names taking a lot of the game out of the game though. Now you'll have to figure out who has the mines by spotting them while they prospect. Maybe the stronghold owners can "know" who has mines in their area? Hold the strongholds and you know who has the mines and can do with that information what you please. Sell it, take protection monies to keep it, abuse it yourself.. Gives strongholds a more significant piece to play for as well.
What is Mhaldor wants to target Eleusian mines for a year? What if your city doesn't allow you to attack other citizen's mines, you going to have to put up a project that everyone updates with where their mine is? What if you end up attacking a friend's mine who isn't online at the moment? Put em back on there.
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OR we could just adopt this strategy into other areas of the game. Newcomers to combat are getting targeted first because they die easily, so mask everyone's name during a raid and replace it with "Raider 1-20" that way the newcomers have a chance to not get targeted.
I am not surprised of the opinions I hear here, however. Like PK, those advantaged by the status quo are seldom willing to let go of their positive loops.
I'll also note that I don't think you, Proficy, Entaro, Medi, or any of a number of other individuals who have attacked Inuad's or people Inuad knows mines, are "being a jerk". It is part of the game, and part of how this system is set up.
I kinda disagree with the idea of just "occupying yourself with something else". Some people have limited times to play the game. I know that you can't just get mine after mine after mine, but when people can't get mines for RL days, or some people can't even break into the mining game, because of infrequent and disproportionate lode spawns, it doesn't seem fair to just say "look again later". Maybe it's meant to be that way, though. Maybe the people who can spend extra time when they are in game prospecting are the ones who should get the mines. But that seems to punish people who enjoy playing Achaea, want to mine, but have limited time to do things in game.
I still don't understand why scaling spawns to have a higher frequency of more small/medium lodes, versus lower frequency of large/massive lodes, hasn't really been addressed. Or, perhaps @Sarapis could explain why the mini-lode idea was scrapped (as it seemed like a good way to give people starting out an opportunity to actually get squad experience and give them a bit more of an advantage going into things).
I kinda addressed this in my reply to @Xinna: higher ranked miners can somewhat afford to wipe their squads (especially if they currently have a mine), because their miners are high enough level to allow level 1 soldier squads to quickly gain experience/level.
If you're going to make the mines anonymous then make the attacks anonymous, make the level of soldiers that attacked you anonymous. I'm sure there is a way to help people get into it not be attacked, but let's be realistic here... there are a VERY limited number of lodes which means there are going to be a very limited number of people who have lodes and the easier it is for people to get into the industry the more fighting that is going to happen and the more frustrated people are going to get. This probably would have been better as a trade skill, which would limited the number of people who got into it. I went four RL days without a mine and I'm ranked like 5th or something, the more people that jump in the more it sucks and believe me the people who are doing all of the attacking will find which lode is yours, trust me. They would have to remove the rankings entirely in order to hide who currently has a lode, it will just be a process of elimination from that point.
The difference between level 20 miners who also have a level 20 specialization in a mineral is only 30% vs. a level 1 miner with no specializations. And of course, nobody is even close to having squads anywhere near that good, so the actual advantage in terms of leveling up squads is probably at most like 10% between the top miners and new miners right now (unless there's some bug I'm not seeing). It is not an overwhelming advantage in terms of leveling your squads, at all.
There absolutely IS a bug when it comes to mining bonus ticks, I bugged it days ago and it has yet to be assigned but it is an unbelievably crazy bug and needs to be fixed because people are blowing through massive lodes in a rl day with it. A couple of us have been tracking it for a while now so if you need more info on it than what was included in the bug report, just let me know.
It seems to boil down to: I have 2 hours to play in Achaea. I could: RP, do city/house/order stuff, things that involve interaction with other characters. Or, I could spend that time looking for lodes (something that is basically a solo exercise). Not only that, but because spawns are at an unknown/random interval, the best way to ensure I get a new lode is to constantly be checking for spawns. I get that you're trying to create an "abstracted version of running a business", and what I am describing is a type of thing that would happen running a business, but this is a game, and there isn't some mechanism in place to remove the frustration of essentially wasting 20, 30, or 60 minutes (or more, depending on how badly you want a mine) running around looking for a new lode.
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How is spending more time not "working harder"? I mean, if you spend more time bashing or questing, you get more gold. Generally, gold generating activities take time. Why should mining be different? I actually prefer mining because you don't -have- to spend time - you can get lucky and generate gold with very little time or effort. But since not everyone can have a lode, it makes sense for people who spend more time to have an advantage, sans luck. I don't know what else you would use to determine who gets the lodes and who doesn't.
You are right, however. There are not a lot of other ways to determine who is able to get lodes, other than who spends time to do it. And it seems, as @Greys mentioned, that people like me who don't have a lot of time to spend on Achaea to begin with, aren't really going to be able to be fully or even partially vested in the mining system unless we want to relinquish that time for the chance that we get something. The main reason I was commenting, though, was to counter @Sarapis suggesting that success in getting lodes requires hard work and/or playing smarter.
Someone who devotes themselves to finding lodes is going to get "lucky" a lot more often than someone who casually looks. Of course, it's not luck over the long-term, it's predictable - work harder, do better. The working smart comes in how you decide to allocate your resources to mining lodes, when to allocate them to attacking (and when and on what lodes/mines), and when to take a stronghold.