Battlerage

Trey

Aktillum said:

Sarapis said:

@Alaskar Finally, someone discovers what true gleam addiction does for you. You take enough gleam, your BR generation goes to the moon.

Could this become a real thing please I've been dying for gleam to have a utility since it was introduced.

Enough gleam gives you +1 dex, I thought.

Kuy

Alaskar said:

Testing on a sirrocian orc, squeeze did 16%, and with sensitivity it did a pleasant 20% so I suppose they do affect battlerage abilities, but the afflictions obviously don't work on golems, which seems to make sense, now that I think about it

That sounds about right. So ya, most efficient magi rage use is the scenario above.

Aktillum

Trey said:

Aktillum said:

Sarapis said:

@Alaskar Finally, someone discovers what true gleam addiction does for you. You take enough gleam, your BR generation goes to the moon.

Could this become a real thing please I've been dying for gleam to have a utility since it was introduced.

Enough gleam gives you +1 dex, I thought.

So goes the urban legend. I've overdosed on gleam before and never noticed a +1 Dex boost though. Will investigate.

Borran

It comes from prolonged use, not OD'ing.

Klendathu

Is this supposed to happen?

[aff] Added entangled

A bare-chested sailor tosses a large, loosely woven net into the air with swift precision. A moment 

later you find yourself entangled in the ropes.

7888h|99%, 7932m|100%, 97%e, 99%w ex|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 75% 14:02:11.094

[Curing]: WRITHE

You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.

7888h|99%, 7932m|100%, 97%e, 99%w e|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 75% 14:02:11.118

You barrel into a bare-chested sailor and knock him to the ground before stomping over his prone form. - CRITICAL

7888h|99%, 7932m|100%, 97%e, 99%w e|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 51% 14:02:11.311

7888h|99%, 7932m|100%, 97%e, 99%w e|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 51% 14:02:11.625

7888h|99%, 7932m|100%, 97%e, 99%w e|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 51% 14:02:11.644

You have recovered balance on all limbs.

          <><><><><><><><><   BALANCE   ><><><><><><><//====o

 (0.942s)

7888h|99%, 7922m|99%, 97%e, 99%w ex|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 51% 14:02:12.060(-10m, 0.1%) 

You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.

7888h|99%, 7922m|99%, 97%e, 99%w ex|cdbk[bld(62) rop]- 51% 14:02:13.052

[aff] Cured entangled

You have writhed free of your entanglement by ropes. (2.836s)

Tecton

Daeir said:

@Tecton - were any changes made to xp total over the past 24 hours? It suddenly feels extremely slow, slower than pre-battlerage bashing even.

None!

Tael

Trey said:

Aktillum said:

Sarapis said:

@Alaskar Finally, someone discovers what true gleam addiction does for you. You take enough gleam, your BR generation goes to the moon.

Could this become a real thing please I've been dying for gleam to have a utility since it was introduced.

Enough gleam gives you +1 dex, I thought.

Not to derail this or anything, but +1 dex is pretty meagre. For most people, it's almost certainly not worth it.

I've always wished there were a bigger incentive to use gleam - the tension between the short-term benefits of doing drugs and the potential for harm is not super interesting without more serious short-term benefits. Rather than an interesting tension, it's mostly just an RP thing whenever anyone decides to do it for a brief while.

The problem has always been that the short term benefits obviously can't be euphoria like make real-life drugs (since players presumably don't care about text-euphoria) and any substantive combat implications could get ugly - you don't want people to feel obligated to do gleam to compete or for gleam to become another basic upkeep cost for combatants.

But having it affect rage generation wouldn't have that problem, and sort of fits the notion of the crazy stimulant gleam is supposed to be.

I really hope they'll consider putting this in. What a cool idea.

Sarapis

Has anyone taken the gleam to find out that it doesn't generate extra BR? 

I don't mean a little gleam. I mean:

Kandra

@Sarapis

You, Sir, are evil.

Trey

I've got 40 packets to throw down on this

Ahmet

Trey said:

I've got 40 packets to throw down on this

I'd be happy to be a test subject  

Aodfionn

Uh, lolno to adding non-rp benefits for gleam. 

Maybe if you add a crippling loss to bloodrage over use., but even then, no thanks. 

If by chance this idea does become a thing, please also consider adding an alternative that Team Good can use. 

Blujixapug

Trey said:

I've got 40 packets to throw down on this

Trey

Aodfionn said:

Uh, lolno to adding non-rp benefits for gleam. 

Maybe if you add a crippling loss to bloodrage over use., but even then, no thanks. 

If by chance this idea does become a thing, please also consider adding an alternative that Team Good can use. 

Take into consideration the HORRIBLY DEBILITATING side effects of gleam addiction and you guys probably don't want it.

Snapplepan

Does anyone else feel like fights take a bit longer now? I went to Great Rock today and it felt like I took about twice as long as I used to to fight the acolytes.

Tharvis

Snapplepan said:

Does anyone else feel like fights take a bit longer now? I went to Great Rock today and it felt like I took about twice as long as I used to to fight the acolytes.

they do take a bit longer, which I guess is part of the intention. Your exp/hour should be roughly the same as (if not better then) before, gold/hour seems to still be undergoing some balancing. 

Tael

So Recklessness feels pretty useless now. Recklessness stops shield for 9 seconds at a cost of 18 Rage (at least for Shaman, I assume it's the same for others). The new shield breaks cost 17 Rage to remove a shield for 10 seconds. 18 rage for 9 seconds vs. 17 rage for 10 seconds seems like kind of a no-brainer.

Also, I just tested Korkma on a Sirrocian orc and it looks like Fear still isn't doing anything at all.

Kind of disappointed that neither of the shaman afflictions seem to be useful at all right now.

Tharvis

The battlerage afflictions are probably not designed around solo hunting useage

Sarapis

Tael said:

So Recklessness feels pretty useless now. Recklessness stops shield for 9 seconds at a cost of 18 Rage (at least for Shaman, I assume it's the same for others). The new shield breaks cost 17 Rage to remove a shield for 10 seconds. 18 rage for 9 seconds vs. 17 rage for 10 seconds seems like kind of a no-brainer.

Also, I just tested Korkma on a Sirrocian orc and it looks like Fear still isn't doing anything at all.

Kind of disappointed that neither of the shaman afflictions seem to be useful at all right now.

Fair point. Will be looked at.

Tael

Tharvis said:

The battlerage afflictions are probably not designed around solo hunting useage

Being in a group doesn't change either of these issues.

It's still better to use a shieldbreak than Recklesness. 17 < 18 and 9 < 10 whether you're alone or in a group. Fear still does seemingly nothing at all.

They can be consumed to power big attacks, but every other affliction actually does something useful too.

Ahmet

Tael said:

Tharvis said:

The battlerage afflictions are probably not designed around solo hunting useage

Being in a group doesn't change either of these issues.

It's still better to use a shieldbreak than Recklesness. 17 < 18 and 9 < 10 whether you're alone or in a group. Fear still does seemingly nothing at all.

They can be consumed to power big attacks, but every other affliction actually does something useful too.

Adding to the point, I can't tell you how many times since this change has gone in that BOTH of the bard affs have saved mah life.

Ahmet

Is anyone else having to reCONFIG RAGEMSG all their settings on every login? Smells like a bug to me, but could be intentional? Or something on my end.

Lorielan

@Ahmet it's being looked into.

Ahmet

Lorielan said:

@Ahmet it's being looked into.

Yay!

Airtreia

@Ahmet why do you always have to break the game?

Aodfionn

Question. 

Priests and paladins: why is it that for classes that are tied to one another via bloodsworn, the priest afflictions have no overlap benefit with paladin battlerage abilities? One would think that priests and paladins would have -something- to reflect the traditional synergy between devotionists. 

Ahmet

Airtreia said:

@Ahmet why do you always have to break the game?

Dunno. I ask myself that same question all the time.

Sarapis

Aodfionn said:

Question. 

Priests and paladins: why is it that for classes that are tied to one another via bloodsworn, the priest afflictions have no overlap benefit with paladin battlerage abilities? One would think that priests and paladins would have -something- to reflect the traditional synergy between devotionists. 

Purely something that was overlooked, that's all. We focused on making sure the important combos would be available to all factions but didn't drill down to that level. Battlerage involved a lot of fiddly spreadsheets with a lot of data on them and we just flat-out forgot to think about that. Probably worth rectifying at some point, but honestly, also not a priority. As with all ideas, I'd suggest idea'ing it.