Shared XP and Assists

Alaskar

Party seems like a pretty fair method of preventing griefers.

Bukariin

Siduri said:

@Bukariin : What they want is to prevent griefers from running into the room, hitting the loser before he dies, and running away with the XP. They're looking to make sure the XP split is allowed between all parties, hence why they suggested the ally list. I still think it's far more logical for it to be same org/party (thus non-org members can benefit IF they're in the party).

You'd have to be pretty tricky/clever/lucky to actually get one hit in within that five second window. 

Strata

Bukariin said:

Siduri said:

@Bukariin : What they want is to prevent griefers from running into the room, hitting the loser before he dies, and running away with the XP. They're looking to make sure the XP split is allowed between all parties, hence why they suggested the ally list. I still think it's far more logical for it to be same org/party (thus non-org members can benefit IF they're in the party).

You'd have to be pretty tricky/clever/lucky to actually get one hit in within that five second window. 

Nah. if the 5 second timer resets, you just headslam every 5 seconds.

Bukariin

Strata said:

Bukariin said:

Siduri said:

@Bukariin : What they want is to prevent griefers from running into the room, hitting the loser before he dies, and running away with the XP. They're looking to make sure the XP split is allowed between all parties, hence why they suggested the ally list. I still think it's far more logical for it to be same org/party (thus non-org members can benefit IF they're in the party).

You'd have to be pretty tricky/clever/lucky to actually get one hit in within that five second window. 

Nah. if the 5 second timer resets, you just headslam every 5 seconds.

In which case this isn't "griefing" it's "attacking"

I believe @Siduri's concern was somebody popping into the room, attacking once, and hopping out to get in on the XP, which isn't that feasible if there's a 5-second window.  If you're literally sitting in the room attacking somebody, then you're an attacker and can be killed like anybody else.

Jhui

then kill them for interferring, not much different than stealing a kill randomly, just easier, but the reward is less too.

Jovolo

Good time to be a Serpent

Bukariin

Worst case scenario is a bunch of non-defenders decide that they want to try to get in on expees by sniping raiders, get killed then or later, raise a big fuss about how they weren't actually defending or still don't want to be treated as defenders, and we get to have a laugh at that.

Siduri

@Bukariin : You read me wrong, I'm absolutely unconcerned by this  
Just suggesting a solution to the problem outlined by @Strata on page 1, if it was even a real concern.

Tecton

Actually, we have most of the framework in position already for this, so you can probably expect it some time in the future!

Jhui

You hear that @Makarios‌ ?  GET TO WORK

Strata

YES! AUTO-ISSUING!

Arador

Also I get the feeling a lot of damage dealers and snipers might "forget"  to ally people. Party members is the simplest with the least chance of abuse. 

Sobriquet

Could we do the same with disarming tanks?

Aerek

The next step is working it into Deathsight:

Rallying another suicide charge, Aerek has led a pack of scrubs into Aegoth, Saeva, and Cresil.

Melodie falls to the arrows of 4 unseen assailants.

Sobriquet

You joke, but..

Melodie has fallen under a volley of arrows

Doesn't sound too bad imho

Austere

Mhaldor doesn't need their own custom deathsight

Terra

Aerek said:

The next step is working it into Deathsight:

Rallying another suicide charge, Aerek has led a pack of scrubs into Aegoth, Saeva, and Cresil.

Melodie falls to the arrows of 4 unseen assailants, a soulspear, and Xinna.

Ftfy.

Melodie

It's so true.

Dalran

How about for priests and when they go full support, and just heal/hands/shield allies, and never hit. Do they deserve assists? How would they get them with system?

Sarapis

As Tecton said, the capability to do this is already there, as part of the rework of PvE that's going on. It'll probably be one of the last things exposed, but you'll be seeing the next phase of PvE work go in this week. 

It goes a bit beyond simply checking for who hit within the last five seconds or who got the killing blow too. Essentially, mobs now keep track of who has been doing what to them in the recent 'combat session' (defined as starting when they reset or whenever a minute has gone by with no damage done to them followed by someone dealing damage to them) and the xp split will be determined by the sum total of what you've done to that mob during that combat session, not simply by the last five seconds or the final blow. That includes healing people who are damaging the mob, etc.

Sena

Just to clarify, is this only being done for PvE or does it apply to PvP as well?

Sarapis

Well, it'll only apply to PvE at first, but the changes required to adapt the system to PvP shouldn't be too large. It won't be completely "accurate" in the sense that we're not going to worry about whether webbing someone is more or less valuable than afflicting them with asthma, but other than that should work out.

Silas

Lets implement killing sprees too, and multikill deathsights.

ETA: Shutting down Jhui could give random defender X an xp bonus. Obviously killing sprees should only be tracked over a short duration, such as during a raid.

Strata

Silas said:

Lets implement killing sprees too, and multikill deathsights.

ETA: Shutting down Jhui could give random defender X an xp bonus. Obviously killing sprees should only be tracked over a short duration, such as during a raid.

If they're going to add that, I hope they also add deathsights for headshots, one shot kills, afterlife, assisted suicide, payback, buzzkill, and first blood.

Ernam

Would be relatively simple to write a simple script to play the COD (Halo's are better) sound files based on a timer and so on.  Everything you mentioned would translate over to Achaea pretty easily, and would be amusing, for a while.

Jukilian

Old school Unreal Tournament sounds ftw.

Mizik

Infamy system already in place for aggressive actions. Can piggyback xp flag on that.

Edit: nvm, Tecton/Sarapis have spoken.

Hod

Silas said:

Lets implement killing sprees too, and multikill deathsights.

ETA: Shutting down Jhui could give random defender X an xp bonus. Obviously killing sprees should only be tracked over a short duration, such as during a raid.

This is a great idea. If you get another kill within 10 seconds, the next deathsight has a message after it akin to criticals. Hod has scored a DOUBLEKILL! MULTIKILL! ULTRAKILL! MONSTER KILL! LUDICROUS KILL! and HOLY SHIT! (EDIT: It doesn't go off until the window is clear, as to prevent spamming.)

Then for actual raid kills (where you stack up if you don't die): Hod is on a KILLING SPREE! RAMPAGE! DOMINATING! UNSTOPPABLE! GODLIKE!

Maybe change some of them to be more Achaea-y. But personally, I think it would be awesome. (

Vaehl

LoS (snipes, spears, out of room chokes and crushes, etc) should be excluded from the assist shared xp IMO.

Bukariin

Vaehl said:

LoS (snipes, spears, out of room chokes and crushes, etc) should be excluded from the assist shared xp IMO.

Why?