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The problem you have is that the mechanism to give Orders the means to seek retribution against an individual is coming into conflict with a number of individuals belief that an attack on their God's shrine that they defend against gives them personal roleplay justification to kill that person.
That's a perfectly reasonable and logical position to hold, but something obviously needs to be done about that conflict. I don't believe removing Writs is the way to go, otherwise you end up in a situation where every member of an Order potentially thinks they have sufficient reason to go out and kill a defiler, and a single action (defiling) suddenly leads to a totally disproportionate response (a number of deaths).
It might be better if Writs went directly to the Order (rather than to the individual who witnessed), granted sufficient roleplay justification to all members of the Order to attack that target until they're fulfilled or contracted out, and were fulfilled when any member of the Order killed that person. So if four members of an Order respond to a defilement, member A witnesses and member B gets the kill (though in reality all four people were involved in killing whoever defiled), the situation is handled. You won't both get killed by members of the Order at the time of defiling, then potentially have to deal with a Writ later on.
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There are very few people the generally go out and actively hunt people. Not that many per city.
The obligation for making sure you're not ignorant about the consequences of your actions rests with you, not anybody else.
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@Santar: If that's a response to my post, I didn't claim that, I just said that it's a potential consequence of such a change. Besides, it only takes a few people per city to go out hunting somebody for defiling a shrine a single time for the punishment to start being unnecessary considering the severity of the crime.
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Most people who enjoyably enter into PK situations do so under the mindset that they want to -win- some or most encounters, even if it doesn't pan out that way all the time.
I'm perfectly fine with accepting the consequences of my actions, I just want more clarification on what those consequences are and what I should do if things have gone over board.
That's not even mechanics of the PK system or integrated rules of it, it's just a part of roleplaying in a living environment.
This is exactly the problem. Very few people have the wherewithal to do that, or to learn to do that anytime soon. Even if they did, a few people are always going to be at the top, and people who are slightly less good are going to net increasing losses.
Most of the game is fairly alienated by, or at least intimidated/awed by (and either way, pretty much not participating in) PK. Thinking back on it, I'd wager that this was a big part of Shallam's constant power struggle between people who wanted to be more militant and people who wanted *nothing* to do with PK (to be fair, here in Achaea they can and should probably move to Cyrene, but yeah). I'm not sure if Targ is having the same problem, but it seems likely. People know intuitively that they don't have the skills to not consistently lose, and that by "getting involved", unless they are incredibly careful, and place strict limits on themselves (as I do, when I go to Annwyn for pudding, or take part in Icon battles, or the Conclave battle), they could easily find they'd signed up for waaaaaaaay more than they can handle. The irony of the situation is that I think it tends to make the game *more* anti-PK.
Pros:Pk gain is more than pk loss if you practice up a bit and are not a jester or a shaman. Its fun. You earn respect. and the RUSH!
Cons: People invest time in hunting and when they die its upsetting yeah. People just randomly kill you sometimes.
Ps
The game is a lot better if you choose a side that has a moral obligation or a fanatical belief of somekind. Leave Hashan
I don't know if I'm not getting my point across or what, I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. We have people saying "this action is definitely illegal" and the same people saying "Suck it up, you shouldn't do x if you didn't want it to happen"
I'm not necessarily counting deaths, but I know that I ( and most people that start into PK conflict) am going to go a long ways backwards before I start eeking my way forwards, and fuck, I'd like to protect my hundreds of hours of investment against consequences that some respectable people have said are being levied unfairly.
They're basically the support bitches of Achaea. Buy some wards, stack my camps, die for me, and STFU.
I hunted my poor eyes into a bleeding mess to get dragon and had to hunt my way back from losses over and over because I have the luxury of tons of free time. But it still didn't make the losses pleasant.
There just seems to be a fairly small minority of players who are able to sustain their XP progress via PvP regardless of what class you pick (I can think of several other classes offhand that rarely seem to clinch a kill but are best used as support) and for those who cannot keep up, I understand their frustrations and I try not to downplay what it means to them.
I know people like to say "You take things to seriously if you get upset by X or Y" to people, but really... who are we to tell someone how seriously they should take anything? Yeah flying off the handle or going into issue rage mode is one thing, but just belittling players because they frustrated after losing their last 2 hours of hunting progress, sometimes for reasons that they couldn't get an answer to, or they get a wishywashy and super vague response... it's just very unfortunate. I guess I am generally always sticking up for the little guy though.
I've been super hard PK mode for over a year now, and am barely starting to actually see xp gains through it. If more people would make it a point to speak with the person that they killed/killed them, as to why and what you could have done to not die, I feel like the environment would be a better one.
Most of the time, people get upset not necessarily about the death, but about how they died, because they don't know what it is or how to defend it or sometimes just get lolganked. Seems like communication is failing on both ends of the spectrum.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
- griefy tactics (multi-person ganks)
- ganks without cause
then you can hire a mark, or just avenge yourself.
The above doesn't apply if you are:
- infamous
- in open hostilities with the aggressor(s)' org(s)
- a neo maxi zoom dweebie
If you are one of those things, or did something to deserve attacks:
- suck it up
If you didn't, then "suck it up" definitely doesn't apply because that's terrible RP. Meta-death is an unfortunate side-effect of a well-developed combat game, but since Achaea is also a glorious RP environment, try not to devalue death and make everything about mechanics. That's - I think -
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