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Eleusis vs Mhaldor, the Good and the Bad!

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  • RangorRangor Member Posts: 3,264 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Herenicus said:

    I had hoped to get a poetic reply to the tune of "Herenicus, thou mayest go fuck thyself"

    Title: Our birds sing not.


    Insert poetry.

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  • KinilanKinilan Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 1,255 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Rangor said:

    Title: Our warriors fight not.


    Insert poetry.

    FTFY

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  • RangorRangor Member Posts: 3,264 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2014

    (Party): Mako says, "I got ganked hunting by Mhaldors soldiers."

    (Party): Mako says, "They claim the war is not over."


    lol'd.

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  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,086 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Saw Kiah and Mako die to Aegoth earlier with potentially the same reasoning, and I've heard of a few other incidents.

    I don't really know what to make of it though, I can't tell if it's isolated incidents or if I'm missing something, because I've been wandering around just fine!

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  • JurixeJurixe Where you least expect itMember Posts: 1,678 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2014

    Well, if you provide names, I'm sure we can look into it. Providing no context doesn't really help much, especially given what I've heard of how certain Eleusians have been acting in tandem with other cities towards Mhaldorian soldiers after the war.

    It's all hearsay for me though, so willing to give benefit of the doubt either way (for now).

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  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    To be fair. Mako.

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  • DunnDunn Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,233 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Ninja'd by Carmain.


    Pretty sure it was Leviticus, though.



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  • AthelasAthelas Cape Town South AfricaMember Posts: 325 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent

    @Aktillum‌ With regard to the army, your argument is exactly why Athelas did not quit the army, when given the opportunity. Joining the army seems to be a very frivolous decision to some.

    Aktillum
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,086 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aktillum said:
    Daeir said:
    Sena said:

    When you've had the same leader for 7.5 RL years (is that accurate?), it's probably time for a change no matter how awesome the leader is.

    It bothers me immensely that such a long tenure is even allowed. I can get that sort of thing for positions that people don't want to do (Hi Yen, you're awesome) but for city leaders it seems a bit.. selfish, honestly.

    Step back and let someone else take front-seat for a while.

    Last I checked, anyone can contest a city leader. If people wanted Ravien replaced, there'd be elections. Ravien hasn't been contested in god knows how long, if ever, so obviously people are comfortable enough with the quality of her leadership. There's a handful of people who are angry at her right now, but none of them, off the top of my head, would be any better in the position. A few of them would definitely be worse.

    Yeah, she ruffled a few feathers by abruptly starting a war without "consulting" anyone. So what? Cities in Achaea should be at war all the time anyways, the army exists for good reason: during wartime (which should be all the time) soldiers are open PK.

    Mhaldor would be raiding and exterming whether or not war was officially declared, so I fail to see how anyone is negatively effected by this, except the people who shouldn't be enlisted soldiers in the first place.

    Sucks that Eleusis pulled out of the war. Sucks we don't have more active combatants. Shit happens.


    Edit: Quick question for anyone in the military IRL. When you enlisted and went to MEPs, did you tell the career officer "well, I don't actually wanna be deployed and get shot at or anything like that, I just wanna wear the uniform".

    Cause I swear thats what a lot of people sound like IG.

    To the bolded: That is incorrect. The city leader (aka Speaker, Imperiate and so on) cannot be contested via the hardcoded method. The only way to have the main CL step down is if the Council has a majority (either three or four depending on number of Council members - for us, four) that agree and SUPPORT (in-game command) another Council member. So that a) Makes it difficult to do in the first place, exceedingly so, and b) You have to have another Council member at least four people agree could run the city in the other's place. Difficult combination.

    As to the rest, it's pretty clear you're out of the loop (you don't log in very much, so I guess that's understandable). If you want more reasoning, you should actually seek to talk to the people who have an issue, perhaps, instead of assuming here on an OOC forums where they wouldn't be likely to answer the questions. :)

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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    @Melodie I log in quite frequently, just about every day. Probably not the same times as you. Sucks that the CL can't be directly contested, but that doesn't make it all that difficult. Imyrr was sitting pretty as Ashtan's Overseer for quite a long time, then it crumpled beneath him when Darknight moved into town.


  • LeviticusLeviticus Member Posts: 339 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited August 2014
    Dunn said:

    Ninja'd by Carmain.


    Pretty sure it was Leviticus, though.

         Yes but of course Mako does not give you the context. I was in Annwyn bashing. Eleison and his gank squad come down with Exelethril and then I see Mako mind locking me. So I leave after evading Eleison. I asked Mako what he was doing and why he was attacking me and he claimed "I was just mind locking you, that is not an attack". Okay cool we were in a free PK area. So I waited until I seen him to into UW. He died to me in UW. He went to UW again about twenty minutes later. He died to me for the last time. I then left him alone. But true, I did not read the news and did not realize the war has ended. I did not participate much anyways.
  • KerriaKerria The Red LionessMember Posts: 1,120 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    It is less likely...

    but regardless they're on a freeze for new recruits for a while.

  • ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,352 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited August 2014
    Leviticus said:
    Dunn said:

    Ninja'd by Carmain.


    Pretty sure it was Leviticus, though.

         Yes but of course Mako does not give you the context. I was in Annwyn bashing. Eleison and his gank squad come down with Exelethril and then I see Mako mind locking me. So I leave after evading Eleison. I asked Mako what he was doing and why he was attacking me and he claimed "I was just mind locking you, that is not an attack". Okay cool we were in a free PK area. So I waited until I seen him to into UW. He died to me in UW. He went to UW again about twenty minutes later. He died to me for the last time. I then left him alone. But true, I did not read the news and did not realize the war has ended. I did not participate much anyways.
    I didn't know you were there and I was probably there before Eleison, I had nothing to do with him and didn't interact with you since forever. Why mention me? D: 

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  • ZiiZii Member Posts: 616 @ - Epic Achaean
    Rakon said:
    Herenicus said:
    Aktillum said:
    Edit: Quick question for anyone in the military IRL. When you enlisted and went to MEPs, did you tell the career officer "well, I don't actually wanna be deployed and get shot at or anything like that, I just wanna wear the uniform".


    This is completely inappropriate. Plenty of airmen have been deployed (for three months in a green zone completely with PX and movie theater), shot at (one time, at basic, live fire counts right), and made sacrifices. Have you tasted this slop they feed airmen at the DFAC??

    Insensitive clod.  

    I heard those guys get stationed at the Ramada Inn Iraq.  T/F?

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  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean

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  • JhaeliJhaeli Member Posts: 541 @ - Epic Achaean
    Aktillum said:

    Edit: Quick question for anyone in the military IRL. When you enlisted and went to MEPs, did you tell the career officer "well, I don't actually wanna be deployed and get shot at or anything like that, I just wanna wear the uniform".

    Cause I swear thats what a lot of people sound like IG.

    I get your point, but joining an actual military is a LOT different than joining the military in the game. Basically because Achaea is a game intended for entertainment, including its in-game military (which is a method of experiencing the game's PvP), whereas a country's military has a multitude of purposes that don't really fall under 'entertainment'. Despite the game borrowing the general definition and flavour of 'a military,' the two really shouldn't be compared in this case.


    As for long terms in leadership - I've always advocated having an agenda going in, fulfilling that agenda in a way that betters the organisation, then looking for your replacement who will have different ideas and strengths going in, regardless of how long the whole process takes. That said, if Eleusis wants a change, they'll have to do it themselves, one way or another! If you don't like the current Council because it won't make changes, contest 'em, then contest the Speaker. 

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  • BukariinBukariin Member Posts: 438 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Herenicus said:
    Aktillum said:
    Edit: Quick question for anyone in the military IRL. When you enlisted and went to MEPs, did you tell the career officer "well, I don't actually wanna be deployed and get shot at or anything like that, I just wanna wear the uniform".


    #rekt

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  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,797 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Herenicus said:

     

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  • AustereAustere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,283 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Enough of this rl military talk,  I thought everyone was declaring war on Ashtan? 
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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Shirszae said:
    Also, the idea of all cities being in total war all the time is ridiculous, and would make for a lot of tediousness. Sure, it seems cool in the moment, but it seems cool precisely because it is not the case. 

    Why would it be ridiculous? This game revolves around factions that are ideologically opposed to one another. The cities are constantly at war regardless of mutually sanctioned hostilities. What changes during war-time, honestly? Mhaldor raids Eleusis, Ashtan raids Targossas whether or not there is an official war. So tell me, what exactly does war change?

    Honestly, they should delete city relations, and just have enlisted soldiers be open PK to each other all the time. At least people would re-consider enlisting, and not complain about a war from start to finish.


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  • AustereAustere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,283 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Add much as I like @Aktillum‌ 's idea,  I give it a month before every city but one(with the exception of a few key players per city [Rangor comes to mind]) is griefed out of being soldiers.  Would then just be a superficial honours line for that city.  Would prefer if people tried to rp out conflict more and wars actually became a reoccurring thing over something static like another mark system without contacts. 
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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    @Austere Agree but, its already a superficial honours line. People have this strange idea that being an enlisted soldier means you are a raid defender and not, y'know, the open PK target during wartime it actually means.


  • AustereAustere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,283 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Shit,  tell that to any city trying to sanction a raid.  If you are a soldier in city,  you are gonna get hit after it is obvious there is raid going on.  Whether that is right or wrong of raiders,  that is what happens.
  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aktillum said:

    @Austere Agree but, its already a superficial honours line. People have this strange idea that being an enlisted soldier means you are a raid defender and not, y'know, the open PK target during wartime it actually means.

    Well, there's also the point that not being a soldier and defending a raid is, in some amount, "metagaming" because those deaths won't charge the raider's tank. Or so the help file reads. So being a raid defender certainly qualifies one to be a soldier; the whole city destruction system is built around that premise.

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