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NO! NOT ANOTHER BLOODY skill to irritate people while they are trying to complete an RP cycle. Exterminations are more than irritating enough.
If you want to fight all the damn time, fine! But I'll stop login on if I find we are getting stuck in raid after bloody raid. Yes, this has been happening recently!
Sorry, not sorry. There is a distinct separation of culture in Eleusis. There are those who are there to RP and those who love to do nothing other than PVP all the time.
As a mentor, I find the first thing players ask me is: "Will I have to fight?"
The fact is that the vast majority of Eleusians, are Eleusian, because they don't want to be in PVP all the time. THINK ABOUT IT!!!! If they wanted that, they'd play Mhaldorian characters!
So, for you Eleusian PVP persons: Go raid, have your fun, but Exterms are MORE THAN ENOUGH of an RP pull to combat. WE DO NOT NEED MORE!!!
You are already having trouble motivating players to take part in combat. Why add more strain to this situation?
There are OOC and IC considerations here.
Some of us are here for the aspects of the game that are not PVP. But we keep getting put down by those who are here for nothing but the PVP. Having another mechanism through which Eleusians are being put in an IC reason for PVP is seriously beyond stupid.
Do this, and you'll soon find Eleusis a ghost town.
Get it? GET IT?
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Thanks for taking it in stride! You're pretty awesome
Eleusis is indeed a very split culture, but there are also plenty of people who do both PVP, and roleplay. There are some who only do one or the other. But let me say, you do not want to chase off your PVPers, because then you'll be dealing with the raids, except you'll have no one to actually help you defend well because they'll go off to other factions who appreciate them and their talents. Then you'll have to do all the fighting yourself, instead of having the option not to as you currently do.
You can disagree with the idea constructively without putting down a hefty portion of your own city's population.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Furthermore, we've been raided three times in the last RL week.
Besides, what does something like "The fact is that the vast majority of Eleusians, are Eleusian, because they don't want to be in PVP all the time. THINK ABOUT IT!!!! If they wanted that, they'd play Mhaldorian characters!" even mean? If I played in Mhaldor, I'd play there for the RP, just as I do in Eleusis, just as I have anywhere. However, I'd also be highly likely to participate in PK anywhere I went, because it's a skill that ties strongly into RP. Can the members of a city-sized organization legitimately RP doing all you can to care for Nature if you're all frail pacifists? Because in Achaea, as I've said in one of your other threads, the skills you have as a player link into what you can act as through RP - you can't pretend to be a mighty warrior if you don't at least have a solid grasp on mechanics.
If you can still follow the same train of thought, there's an extension of this. Your city's might (or Nature's effective might) can't be defined solely by what you want it to be or what you tell novices who haven't played the game long enough to know better. This doesn't only mean in PK, it means in scholarly matters that shape RP - using in character definitions instead of pulling things out of thin air or from other fantasy sources (as I've told you you didn't really follow in your self-referential book).
The really lousy summary is that if you claim to do anything in a way that is "ideal" in a living world, then you need to reinforce that with real skills. All events that occur within the world tie into each other unless they're flat out OOC, like wet snowflake accents. If your city is getting crushed by enemies for days within a war and you complain that you can't RP, you've missed the point.
Are you seriously going to tell me people like the literal speaker of eleusis is there just to pvp and not rp? Or the house leader of the scions? Do you think they got those positions just going 'ok I pk some enemy plz make me leader'? There's no real reason why you can't both rp and pvp, it's absurd to assume otherwise.
Second, like was mentioned, we've barely gotten raided at all this week dude. You were only there for one of the raids I saw in the first place, so what are you even complaining about?
Third: the city is literally there to protect nature and with the new direction spread it forcibly across the continent. How do you join this and say 'oh yeah that'll never find any opposition'? If you want to be neutral, join Cyrene. They're more neutral than they've ever been, so they're, in fact, the city for those who don't want to be 'stuck in pvp all the time.'
Fourth: actually we've gotten amazing turnouts for defences lately. Even after some very rough tumbles people kept helping out, and the raid we had yesterday had us wipe like two-three times and people still show up to help without complaint. I've actually been really impressed! Years ago it was way harder to motivate people to defend.
Fifth: Melodie's right. The last aligned city that chased off all their fighters with rhetoric like yours was pre-qashar shallam. Were you there for that? Because they were getting raided for 8 hours a day and were completely helpless to stop it.
Not my point @Alrena, and let's be honest, not quite true either. But that's a conversation we can have on private OOC channels.
To clarify my original point though:
As an entity, Eleusis can be attacked at will. No other city has to respond to forest fires or exterminations. An Eleusian has more mechanically forced reasons for PVP, than any other city. Adding having to respond to people chopping down trees on top of the existing load, is just plain ridiculous.
If you want to attack Hashan, you have to be on Hashani soil attacking Hashani assets. The same goes for every other city.
If you want to attack Eleusis, you can go to an Island that can only be reached by boat, and exterminate a forest there. Mhaldor demonstrates this often and lots.
It's very easy to say: "If you don't want to respond, don't."
But if you are playing your Eleusian character, and you are being In Character. With all the oaths that your character has taken, you do not have a choice.
So, when you say: "If you don't want to respond, don't."
You are actually saying: It's "ok" for you to break character because of this.
The fact is, that a character like Athelas, will want to respond every time. So when I as a player get fed up with the number of times this response is required, I end up being forced to make a choice between breaking character, or logging off for the duration.
Every Eleusian character I know in game, wants to defend and respond to threats. Even when they can be nothing but cannon fodder. Most Eleusians characters I know, don't care about taking repeated trips to Thoth in defence of Nature.
The players though, the actual people behind the characters, are another story entirely.
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tl;dr
We, do not need more reasons to defend or raid, we have more than enough already.
I don't think a wood-cutting skill is a good idea. But if it were a thing, pretty sure Eleusis'd find a way to work it in. It's not like, according to what I've seen of current Eleusian ideology, opening huge holes in the ground to pull minerals out for the sake of profit (and building huge, monstruous buildings and/or enhancing Cities with the resulting stone) is a totally okay idea, but cutting a tree would be beyond the pale (completely ignoring the fact that mines already take wood to build, don't they? Whether it's a Mhaldorian or a Theran cutting wood, what's it matter?).
For a person who claims to have RP considerations in mind above everything else, I suspect something like this would be an excellent opportunity to better define your faction's stance and your own within it, not something to run away from!
Tl;dr: A wood-cutting skill would probably not be a pvp thing, just like mining is not a pvp thing. This seems like an overreaction to a non-issue.
Woodcutting as he describes it, would be an issue!
Damnit, Deladan, look what you've done now.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
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No one's forcing you to do anything. Even individual firemen in RL don't go to every single fire, they take turns.